Ryan Grant - A "Me" guy

[NewsBruin]

We don't know what the offer was, regardless Grant is under contract and should be in camp. I get tired of players pulling this year after year. What gives players the right to have one good season, or half of one in Ryan's case, then get their contract torn up and a new one drawn up? It's rediculous. If I do a couple good things at work I don't get a new contract. Hell I'm lucky to get a compliment.. He needs to get his ass in camp and earn his money just like the rest of us do. I'm sick of it.

Maybe you should become a professional football player.

As was said above, Grant IS NOT under contract; he just can't sign with anyone else. He shouldn't practice if he could get hurt and is not protected.

I haven't heard the terms that are being argued, so I can't say who's in the wrong here, although I'll place more blame with the Packers if they didn't start negotiations the Monday after losing to the Giants.

I've heard Grant's agent say that both sides are interested in an incentive-based contract, which I think is awful from Grant's interest. There's too much that could affect Grant's numbers that is not under his control. If our run defense sucks, and the opponents get lots of time on the field; If our total defense sucks, and McCarthy goes to 4WR/1TE sets to catch up; if Allen Barbre falls on Grant's knee or Grant gets a concussion and has to choose between health or $. None of these have anything to do with Grant's heart or talent, but would totally kick his paycheck in the ass.

We're well under the cap; we can afford some wiggle room with our top players. I would like to see Grant get an escalator-based contract that rewards his effort in 2008 with pay raises in 2009 and 2010, with some guaranteed and base cash for 2008.

I would like to believe in the "if you play hard, eventually you'll get rewarded" mentality, but in a league where you can get cut anytime, even for wanting to get paid what you signed a contract for, I'm for the players getting what they are worth as soon as they can get it.

[cpk1994]

During that Seattle game, after the two fumbles, all the guys were coming up to him and giving him support. If the guy was a right dick and a bad teammate, I don't think you would of seen so much of a support group.

I've watched interviews with Grant, read pieces about him, he's as good as they come. He wants to be in camp. Partial, don't mistake what Grant's agent says for who Ryan Grant is. All of these guys are pawns and will follow whatever their agent says, in most cases.

This situation will play out and Ryan will sign a deal with the Pack. Following that, Ryan will help the Pack win games. It's that simple. Nothing in this situation has downgraded my opinion of Grant at all. This is just the NFL being the NFL.

No way. The team should move on. He missed all of the off-season. Grant should be punished. It would be really unfair to Brandon Jackson to have Grant start again.

So much was learned in the off-season and the offense was already implemented. We're past the point of no return.

Ryan Grant shouldn't be allowed to play for the Packers, but we also don't want him to play for anyone else.

I think you're joking, being tongue-in-cheek and all. But you never know with Partial, so I'll make a case anyway.

Brandon Jackson- 267, 1 TD

Ryan Grant- 956, 8 TD

Partial not being tongue-in-cheek. He is so pissed off that his Lortd Favre is getting piled on that he made a weak attempt to do tthe same to Grant what others are syaing about his Lord Favre

[Chevelle2]

No way. The team should move on. He missed all of the off-season. Grant should be punished. It would be really unfair to Brandon Jackson to have Grant start again.

So much was learned in the off-season and the offense was already implemented. We're past the point of no return.

Ryan Grant shouldn't be allowed to play for the Packers, but we also don't want him to play for anyone else.

You know what he's right. Grant said he was going to sign the contract, then changed his mind when they brought it to him to sign.

Then he said "sign me or release me" and started letting his mom talk to the press about how he feels disrespected and unwanted. Then he told the media he was going to sign. Then said he wasn't but told them that Thompson didn't want him to sign.

Dude you forgot when Grant went on national TV in a scripted interview and blasted the organization, then starting calling the Bears to see if they wanted his services.

[Bretsky]

I'll say this; a 1,5MIL bonus for a multi year deal is crap.

But TT will make sure this deal gets done; he's going to equip his boy with every offensive weapon possible to give him a chance for success after he ditches Favre off to another team

[The Shadow]

During that Seattle game, after the two fumbles, all the guys were coming up to him and giving him support. If the guy was a right dick and a bad teammate, I don't think you would of seen so much of a support group.

I've watched interviews with Grant, read pieces about him, he's as good as they come. He wants to be in camp. Partial, don't mistake what Grant's agent says for who Ryan Grant is. All of these guys are pawns and will follow whatever their agent says, in most cases.

This situation will play out and Ryan will sign a deal with the Pack. Following that, Ryan will help the Pack win games. It's that simple. Nothing in this situation has downgraded my opinion of Grant at all. This is just the NFL being the NFL.

No way. The team should move on. He missed all of the off-season. Grant should be punished. It would be really unfair to Brandon Jackson to have Grant start again.

So much was learned in the off-season and the offense was already implemented. We're past the point of no return.

Ryan Grant shouldn't be allowed to play for the Packers, but we also don't want him to play for anyone else.

It's tough when an attempt at sarcasm has to be redone, isn't it?

[Partial]

During that Seattle game, after the two fumbles, all the guys were coming up to him and giving him support. If the guy was a right dick and a bad teammate, I don't think you would of seen so much of a support group.

I've watched interviews with Grant, read pieces about him, he's as good as they come. He wants to be in camp. Partial, don't mistake what Grant's agent says for who Ryan Grant is. All of these guys are pawns and will follow whatever their agent says, in most cases.

This situation will play out and Ryan will sign a deal with the Pack. Following that, Ryan will help the Pack win games. It's that simple. Nothing in this situation has downgraded my opinion of Grant at all. This is just the NFL being the NFL.

No way. The team should move on. He missed all of the off-season. Grant should be punished. It would be really unfair to Brandon Jackson to have Grant start again.

So much was learned in the off-season and the offense was already implemented. We're past the point of no return.

Ryan Grant shouldn't be allowed to play for the Packers, but we also don't want him to play for anyone else.

I think you're joking, being tongue-in-cheek and all. But you never know with Partial, so I'll make a case anyway.

Brandon Jackson- 267, 1 TD

Ryan Grant- 956, 8 TD

Partial not being tongue-in-cheek. He is so pissed off that his Lortd Favre is getting piled on that he made a weak attempt to do tthe same to Grant what others are syaing about his Lord Favre

Dude, its a joke. Chill out. But, funny, how the situations oddly parallel one another and the young, up and comer is being allowed back as the starter.

[Chevelle2]

I'll say this; a 1,5MIL bonus for a multi year deal is crap.

But TT will make sure this deal gets done; he's going to equip his boy with every offensive weapon possible to give him a chance for success after he ditches Favre off to another team

Thats a good point, even if its for Rodgers sake.

[Zool]

I'll say this; a 1,5MIL bonus for a multi year deal is crap.

But TT will make sure this deal gets done; he's going to equip his boy with every offensive weapon possible to give him a chance for success after he ditches Favre off to another team

Thats a good point, even if its for Rodgers sake.

There's no reason they cant drop a $3.5-$4 mil bonus on the guy unless the team is bleeding cash and they are trying to pinch pennies. Its not like this mid-level deal is going to set some standard across the league for RFA RB's with 1 year of accrued time. This is a rare circumstance.

[BallHawk]

Dude, its a joke. Chill out. But, funny, how the situations oddly parallel one another and the young, up and comer is being allowed back as the starter.

The situation is oddly parallel in your mind. This is like how in the mind of Mark Kurlansky every major event in world history was caused by salt.

It's not really that similar.

[Lurker64]

The situation is oddly parallel in your mind. This is like how in the mind of Mark Kurlansky every major event in world history was caused by salt.

Except for the ones that were cause by cod instead.

[BallHawk]

The situation is oddly parallel in your mind. This is like how in the mind of Mark Kurlansky every major event in world history was caused by salt.

Except for the ones that were cause by cod instead.

Holy crap, somebody got it.

Props to you Lurker.

[Partial]

Dude, its a joke. Chill out. But, funny, how the situations oddly parallel one another and the young, up and comer is being allowed back as the starter.

The situation is oddly parallel in your mind. This is like how in the mind of Mark Kurlansky every major event in world history was caused by salt.

It's not really that similar.

It's pretty gosh darn similiar. The reason the team moved on is they installed the whole offense supposedly and couldn't go back now. The team has shown confidence in BJack, and now they expect him to come in and take a backseat to the veteran who hasn't worked out all offseason?

GAB. They're practically identical short of Grant not bad mouthing his boss. But, it could get to that point shortly.

[Bretsky]

I'll say this; a 1,5MIL bonus for a multi year deal is crap.

But TT will make sure this deal gets done; he's going to equip his boy with every offensive weapon possible to give him a chance for success after he ditches Favre off to another team

Thats a good point, even if its for Rodgers sake.

There's no reason they cant drop a $3.5-$4 mil bonus on the guy unless the team is bleeding cash and they are trying to pinch pennies. Its not like this mid-level deal is going to set some standard across the league for RFA RB's with 1 year of accrued time. This is a rare circumstance.

If they feel he's their starter, yet unproven, I was figuring on a conservative deal with a 5,000,000 or so signing...or roster bonus...aka...more frontloading....better future cap relief. 1,5MIL; let's get real. An agent would be an idiot to even consider that.

[BallHawk]

They are practically identical short of:

Grant not retiring
Grant never considering retirement
Grant being brought in by Ted, not Ron
Grant working out at the team complex during mini-camp
Grant having consistently stated he wants to be a Packer
Grant not being under contract

But, yeah, apart from that, it's exactly the same. Spooky.

[NewsBruin]

I thought I knew, but I don't know for sure: What did Grant do when he came to Green Bay for OTA's? He hasn't practiced plays or team drills, but he has kept up with all the offense education, right? It's not like he's been watching The Real World and working on his macrimae skills.

Ryan Grant is as proven of a back as we've got. I was not impressed with Brandon Jackson's draft evaluation that he lacks explosiveness and elusiveness, and as much as I have a mini-crush on DeShawn Wynn and his physical talent, I will have to believe he has what it takes from the neck up to make it to the end of this season in the NFL. Out of those, I think none can pass-block like Grant, and that's a huge quality. Anyone who thinks our current HB stable has a 16-game starter without Ryan Grant is living on wishes and rainbows right now.

You know, we're pretty good with cash, and if we blow $2-4M on a signing bonus for a player who didn't play up to his first 8 games, then I don't think it's that huge of a loss. I don't think anything more than $4M at signing is necessary, but I would like to see some guaranteed cash at other intervals too.

Meanwhile, that $1.75M bonus is for a SIX YEAR contract. Ryan Grant is smart to not sign that. When his next one comes up, he'll be 31 and have a rocking chair in the Shady Pines Halfback Retirement Home with his name on it.

Unless there's real assurances that a contract would be redone, Grant should not sign anything greater than a 4-year contract. Most players only get one really great signing bonus in their career, and $1.75 million is not a great bonus for a starting halfback.

Finally, running back is the most likely "plug-and-play" position in the NFL. There is a huge difference in teaching an offense to a quarterback and to a running back. That works both for and against Ryan Grant, but it's not comparable to teaching Rogers the playbook and having him work on all the receivers' timing, when Grant just has to know "block for 3 and then run to the seam."