"LET ME COMPETE. U KNOW I'LL WIN THIS JOB...!"

[Zool]

You sure do hate being called out on your BS. Maybe you should stop typing it?

[Chevelle2]

Name 3 players who were young, had potential and not resigned. Or at least come close to some sort of truth in your posts.

Drew Brees....or were you talking about solely Packers?

[mraynrand]

MOBB THE VOICE OF REASON! Like he said its a no brainer. Favre has no problem with a competition for the job. He knows he is the better player....why hasn't Arod come out and said they should compete for Favre's job. Cause he can't beat him out!

Thats not what Brett said. Also, ARod hasn't said anything about competing because to this point Favre was still retired.

who here STILL thinks favre would've won an open competition???

I think rodgers would have won easily. NOw I am asking a question....who here that backed favre would have accepted that rodgers won fair and square if TT and MM had allowed a competition and declared ARod the winner?

I'll be honest - I would have thought there was a bit of 'stuffing of the ballot box' going on in Rodgers' favor. But watching the JETS play, it's startling to see what happens to an old guy who did (not) physically train for the season and who is undisciplined with the ball. As I said elsewhere, Favre is a caricature of himself now. He actually plays well most of the time - albeit sluggish - then goes into 'chuck one up' mode for absolutely no apparent reason.


edit: forgot to add 'not'

[TennesseePackerBacker]

Name 3 players who were young, had potential and not resigned. Or at least come close to some sort of truth in your posts.

Craig Hentrich, Hunter Hillenmeyer, and.......Ahmad Carroll? jk Mike Wahle?

I dont know, I tried...but that's obviously much harder than it looks. The fact is, the Pack don't let too many get away.

I can't stand half-assed accusations without any real proof to back it up.

[sheepshead]

In a fair competition, Rodgers wins relatively convincingly.

That's kinda hard to say. He might get psyched-out by having to compete with the Legend.

I'm glad that Rogers is the QB of the PAckers right now, and I don't mean that as a slight to Favre. I like building for the future, and he currently performs at a similar level.

good point

my only beef was this team could have won now... as we stand we will be fighting all year for a playoff spot.. last year we were talking home field advantange.. it just stinks we let one, maybe two years of that slip away but Arod will more than likely be good in a couple years, I just hope we still have the talent here

Rodgers is bad? Can we pin one loss on him?

[Zool]

Maybe ATL? I didnt get to see it so I have no basis to say, but his numbers were bad.

[mraynrand]

Name 3 players who were young, had potential and not resigned. Or at least come close to some sort of truth in your posts.

Craig Hentrich, Hunter Hillenmeyer, and.......Ahmad Carroll? jk Mike Wahle?

I dont know, I tried...but that's obviously much harder than it looks. The fact is, the Pack don't let too many get away.

I can't stand half-assed accusations without any real proof to back it up.

You could add in Allen Rossum - Packers missed his returns for a long time.

[BF4MVP]

Maybe ATL? I didnt get to see it so I have no basis to say, but his numbers were bad.

25-37 for 313 yards, 3 TD, 1 INT, 109.4 rating is bad?

You must be thinking of Tampa, in which case you would be correct, his numbers were terrible in that game. 14-27, 165 yards, 2 TD, 3 INT, 55 rating. Although Cliffy getting absolutely whipped and letting Rodgers get drilled on that last interception didn't help Rodgers as he was trying to lead a winning drive after spraining his shoulder...

[BF4MVP]

And to answer MOBB's question, after watching them both play this year, there's no doubt in my mind that Rodgers is the better quarterback right now, and would have won a fair competition for the starting job.

[Zool]

Maybe ATL? I didnt get to see it so I have no basis to say, but his numbers were bad.

25-37 for 313 yards, 3 TD, 1 INT, 109.4 rating is bad?

You must be thinking of Tampa, in which case you would be correct, his numbers were terrible in that game. 14-27, 165 yards, 2 TD, 3 INT, 55 rating. Although Cliffy getting absolutely whipped and letting Rodgers get drilled on that last interception didn't help Rodgers as he was trying to lead a winning drive after spraining his shoulder...

Yeah Tampa.

[Chevelle2]

And to answer MOBB's question, after watching them both play this year, there's no doubt in my mind that Rodgers is the better quarterback right now, and would have won a fair competition for the starting job.

Agree.

People keep saying "Well Favre is a foreign system, he is BOUND to struggle a bit"

I can agree with this. But Favre's troubles don't appear to be "team specific" That is, the same things that are happening over there, would happen here.

He is holding the ball too long, not willing to throw it away.
He has no mobility.
He still throws a few up for grabs every game.

Those would happen in NYJ, GB, or China.

[gex]

And to answer MOBB's question, after watching them both play this year, there's no doubt in my mind that Rodgers is the better quarterback right now, and would have won a fair competition for the starting job.

Agree.

People keep saying "Well Favre is a foreign system, he is BOUND to struggle a bit"

I can agree with this. But Favre's troubles don't appear to be "team specific" That is, the same things that are happening over there, would happen here.

He is holding the ball too long, not willing to throw it away.
He has no mobility.
He still throws a few up for grabs every game.

Those would happen in NYJ, GB, or China.

You sure do hate being called out on your BS. Maybe you should stop typing it?

[Fritz]

Ithink Favre not only being in a foreign system, but more importantly not having the rigourous offseason workouts and a coach willing to reign him in might be causing some of Favre's troubles. He seems reminiscent of the Favre we saw in the awful late Sherman years.

He's still got the ability to thread the needle with a rifle shot between three defenders, and he still has the ability to throw it right into a defender's arms - who is often so surprised that he drops the ball....none of those two things has changed.

[Gunakor]

And to answer MOBB's question, after watching them both play this year, there's no doubt in my mind that Rodgers is the better quarterback right now, and would have won a fair competition for the starting job.

Agree.

People keep saying "Well Favre is a foreign system, he is BOUND to struggle a bit"

I can agree with this. But Favre's troubles don't appear to be "team specific" That is, the same things that are happening over there, would happen here.

He is holding the ball too long, not willing to throw it away.
He has no mobility.
He still throws a few up for grabs every game.

Those would happen in NYJ, GB, or China.

You sure do hate being called out on your BS. Maybe you should stop typing it?

It's not BS. Let me go through them one at a time.

1) "He is holding the ball too long, not willing to throw it away."

He didn't usually hold the ball too long as a Packer, but he's always been reluctant to throw it away. It's the competitor in him always thinking there is a play to be made, so I never held that against him. But the drawback to that is that he'd rather fire a fastball into traffic and hope for the best than to throw the ball away and waste a down. That's contributed to more than a few INT's over the years, and several this year as a Jet.

2) "He has no mobility."

Are you really gonna call him a liar? Cmon now, even the most loyal of Favre fans have to realize that Favre is as immobile as they come. He's clever and experienced enough to make that one step at just the right time to make a guy miss, but he's not about to run around a whole lot to create time. Again, if it's not there he'll try to force it and that has very negative consequences.

3) "He still throws a few up for grabs every game."

The moonballs have been part of Favre's repertoire forever. Ask Darren Sharper, he was on the intercepting end of quite a few of them over the years. We saw it twice last Sunday when Favre almost cost the Jets a victory over one of the lowliest teams in the league. There were 2 moonballs and one forced throw into traffic that resulted in 3 INT's and 14 Kansas City points. That's on Favre, and it's nothing new.

Chevelle is right. The mistakes he's making this year are the same ones he's made over and over again throughout his career. I know you don't agree with me, but history DOES agree with me so I don't really care. And to add onto Chevelle's point, these mistakes would plague our team even worse than the Jets because the Jets have been playing better defense than the Packers (save the brilliant performance against the Colts). We could be staring at 2-5 right now if our QB turned the ball over as many times as Favre has. And what would you say then? "Oh, it's just Favre trying to make a play. I know we are 2-5, but Favre's 11 interceptions have nothing to do with that." Sure they wouldn't...

Anyway, the OT was whether we think Favre would have won a fair and open conpetition should one have taken place between he and Rodgers back in August. Look at the two of them and the way they are playing right now - not last year or 10 years ago or the culmination of 16 seasons, but TODAY - and I think it's pretty obvious who is playing better football. I give every bit of credit to Favre for resurrecting this franchise, but Aaron is the better quarterback THIS season and I'm thrilled that he was given his opportunity. Given the objectiveness of our coaches - i.e. not giving in to the energy or caving under the influence of our players or fans - I'm absolutely certain after watching both play this season that Rodgers would have won that opportunity fair and square if he had to.

[DannoMac21]

And to answer MOBB's question, after watching them both play this year, there's no doubt in my mind that Rodgers is the better quarterback right now, and would have won a fair competition for the starting job.

Agree.

People keep saying "Well Favre is a foreign system, he is BOUND to struggle a bit"

I can agree with this. But Favre's troubles don't appear to be "team specific" That is, the same things that are happening over there, would happen here.

He is holding the ball too long, not willing to throw it away.
He has no mobility.
He still throws a few up for grabs every game.

Those would happen in NYJ, GB, or China.

You sure do hate being called out on your BS. Maybe you should stop typing it?

Maybe you need to get your head out of your ass and realize that Favre isn't anything close to what he was.