He will be welcome back in our locker room - MM

[sharpe1027]

I think it blindsided Brett to think that he couldn't just make a phone call and have his old job back, even after some hemming and hawing about unretirement, but up to some point never being 100% committed to returning. Once he did re-commit, at least verbally, he was told thanks but no thanks. Using your corporate environment example I think works to a point. Guys who work for corporations do not have millions of fans, but future hall of fame NFL QB's do, and I think that Favre thought that he was so well branded, so well regarded by fans, players, management, and media that all he had to do was make up his mind and he was right back into his starting gig and the emotional capital and goodwill that Brett had built up could be cashed in again and he'd be right back under center because of all the fan-base/marketing/playing ability/living legend stuff. I'm sure that was one of the biggest surprises of his life. He could have had it back if he had made up his mind sooner. Some wanted the team to leave the door cracked for Brett's return. The organization saw Brett's retirement/indecision as a way to become fully committed to Rodgers (finally) and see what chance he had of becoming a winning NFL QB. They certainly knew what Brett can do. I respect their decsion, but of course wish that Brett was going to be back under center, but then I'm sentimental and never want certain stars/celebrities to age and stop performing, but everyone has to exit the stage somehow/someway. I'm sure this is not the end in GB that Brett or anyone would have imagined.

One big difference from most business situations is that Brett cannot simply apply for a job with a different organization, the Packers control his destiny for the most part. That being said, Favre has no "right" to force his employer to do anything other than to honor his contract, which says nothing about guranteeing a starting spot.

[MOBB DEEP]

Then he wants back in and demands the starting job be handed to him. It isn't, because the job got filled in his absence and the team thinks it's doing fine without him. In any other corporate setting, that request to get your old job back would be scoffed at.

So, I really don't see any moral issues against the team's decision to "move forward" as they say. Strategically, there is room for debate, but they are doing right by the team.

I think it blindsided Brett to think that he couldn't just make a phone call and have his old job back, even after some hemming and hawing about unretirement, but up to some point never being 100% committed to returning. Once he did re-commit, at least verbally, he was told thanks but no thanks. Using your corporate environment example I think works to a point. Guys who work for corporations do not have millions of fans, but future hall of fame NFL QB's do, and I think that Favre thought that he was so well branded, so well regarded by fans, players, management, and media that all he had to do was make up his mind and he was right back into his starting gig and the emotional capital and goodwill that Brett had built up could be cashed in again and he'd be right back under center because of all the fan-base/marketing/playing ability/living legend stuff. I'm sure that was one of the biggest surprises of his life. He could have had it back if he had made up his mind sooner. Some wanted the team to leave the door cracked for Brett's return. The organization saw Brett's retirement/indecision as a way to become fully committed to Rodgers (finally) and see what chance he had of becoming a winning NFL QB. They certainly knew what Brett can do. I respect their decsion, but of course wish that Brett was going to be back under center, but then I'm sentimental and never want certain stars/celebrities to age and stop performing, but everyone has to exit the stage somehow/someway. I'm sure this is not the end in GB that Brett or anyone would have imagined.

or MM and TT could have used the Biblical xample of the Prodigal son (who made PLENTY mistakes like all humans) and had the nicest robe, celebration, and fatted calf waitn for him once he came to his senses....

my mama always told me ther's more than one way to skin a cat

maybe this will humble Lord Favre and he will now seek a REAL higher power and not garner his self worth from his image, individual abilities, fandom, etc. man (namely TT, lol) will let you down but the Lord will never leave u nor forsake u.....GLORY

[The Leaper]

One big difference from most business situations is that Brett cannot simply apply for a job with a different organization, the Packers control his destiny for the most part. That being said, Favre has no "right" to force his employer to do anything other than to honor his contract, which says nothing about guranteeing a starting spot.

I agree.

Both sides seem to feel they have "rights" that really don't apply to them. Favre doesn't have the right to be the unchallenged starter or expect a clean release. Green Bay doesn't have the right to expect Favre to help them trade him or not become hostile when the team is clearly attempting to put him out to pasture at this point.

That's why this is such a mess. The Packers are dead set against letting Favre hurt them if they let him go. Favre is dead set against letting the Packers dictate his career moves at this point. Neither seems willing to budge, and the people who are really hurt in all of this are the guys trying to train for the upcoming season.

Step up Thompson...trade Favre to Minnesota for a 2nd round pick and be done with it. If Favre beats you in 2008, he beats you. Better that you get something in return for it than to let him beat you by taking $13M and being a constant distraction.

[The Leaper]

maybe this will humble Lord Favre and he will now seek a REAL higher power and not garner his self worth from his image, individual abilities, fandom, etc. man (namely TT, lol) will let you down but the Lord will never leave u nor forsake u.....GLORY

I'm guessing God really doesn't have a horse in this race. He's probably as sick of hearing about this as we are.

[Patler]

Step up Thompson...trade Favre to Minnesota for a 2nd round pick and be done with it. If Favre beats you in 2008, he beats you. Better that you get something in return for it than to let him beat you by taking $13M and being a constant distraction.

It might very well come to that, but probably not yet for a while, until the Packers feel there is no other alternative destination for him.

[MOBB DEEP]

maybe this will humble Lord Favre and he will now seek a REAL higher power and not garner his self worth from his image, individual abilities, fandom, etc. man (namely TT, lol) will let you down but the Lord will never leave u nor forsake u.....GLORY

I'm guessing God really doesn't have a horse in this race. He's probably as sick of hearing about this as we are.

NO, He's involved in evrything

and NO, His patience is everlasting

i.e., if not for His grace i KNOW i'd be dead - falln asleep at the wheel b/c of drinkn, major unprotected sex as a yute, fights with guys who had weapons, buying grass from strangers as a yute, etc... - all the while knowing better. but He spared me and im sure all of us can testify to His greatness if we take time to reflect

[HarveyWallbangers]

Amen, brother.

[Chevelle2]

maybe this will humble Lord Favre and he will now seek a REAL higher power and not garner his self worth from his image, individual abilities, fandom, etc. man (namely TT, lol) will let you down but the Lord will never leave u nor forsake u.....GLORY

I'm guessing God really doesn't have a horse in this race. He's probably as sick of hearing about this as we are.

NO, He's involved in evrything

and NO, His patience is everlasting

i.e., if not for His grace i KNOW i'd be dead - falln asleep at the wheel b/c of drinkn, major unprotected sex as a yute, fights with guys who had weapons, buying grass from strangers as a yute, etc... - all the while knowing better. but He spared me and im sure all of us can testify to His greatness if we take time to reflect

No, I too think God is sick of hearing about this.

[cpk1994]

maybe this will humble Lord Favre and he will now seek a REAL higher power and not garner his self worth from his image, individual abilities, fandom, etc. man (namely TT, lol) will let you down but the Lord will never leave u nor forsake u.....GLORY

I'm guessing God really doesn't have a horse in this race. He's probably as sick of hearing about this as we are.

NO, He's involved in evrything

and NO, His patience is everlasting

i.e., if not for His grace i KNOW i'd be dead - falln asleep at the wheel b/c of drinkn, major unprotected sex as a yute, fights with guys who had weapons, buying grass from strangers as a yute, etc... - all the while knowing better. but He spared me and im sure all of us can testify to His greatness if we take time to reflect

What's a yute?
EDIT: My Cousin Vinny?

[MOBB DEEP]

maybe this will humble Lord Favre and he will now seek a REAL higher power and not garner his self worth from his image, individual abilities, fandom, etc. man (namely TT, lol) will let you down but the Lord will never leave u nor forsake u.....GLORY

I'm guessing God really doesn't have a horse in this race. He's probably as sick of hearing about this as we are.

NO, He's involved in evrything

and NO, His patience is everlasting

i.e., if not for His grace i KNOW i'd be dead - falln asleep at the wheel b/c of drinkn, major unprotected sex as a yute, fights with guys who had weapons, buying grass from strangers as a yute, etc... - all the while knowing better. but He spared me and im sure all of us can testify to His greatness if we take time to reflect

What's a yute?

youth, as in youthful indiscretions

[MOBB DEEP]

maybe this will humble Lord Favre and he will now seek a REAL higher power and not garner his self worth from his image, individual abilities, fandom, etc. man (namely TT, lol) will let you down but the Lord will never leave u nor forsake u.....GLORY

I'm guessing God really doesn't have a horse in this race. He's probably as sick of hearing about this as we are.

NO, He's involved in evrything

and NO, His patience is everlasting

i.e., if not for His grace i KNOW i'd be dead - falln asleep at the wheel b/c of drinkn, major unprotected sex as a yute, fights with guys who had weapons, buying grass from strangers as a yute, etc... - all the while knowing better. but He spared me and im sure all of us can testify to His greatness if we take time to reflect

What's a yute?
EDIT: My Cousin Vinny?

right, LOL

[BallHawk]

This is going to turn into a religious debate thread. I can feel it.

[Harlan Huckleby]

This is going to turn into a religious debate thread. I can feel it.

that's the holy spirit you're feeling, brother. welcome aboard!