Murphy heads south, asking Favre to stay home

[MadtownPacker]

Favre is a man-child, unable to deal with rejection.

Remember what Favre said about his retirement plans last spring? "I'm gonna do nothin." He's unstable, nearing the end of football.

Agreed. But that is also why I understand why he is doing what he is doing. I dont like how he is doing it but the bottom line is that dogging him like this aint right.

HE wanted back in before he wanted to go to the vikings and I doubt he gives a fuck about wearing pruple. He just knows that is where he can get revenge. Is it so wrong to be human. I bet any of us in the same situation would feel rejected as well. We just might have dealt with it differently but I probably wouldnt have.

If there is not a fair competition I will lose major respect for M3.

[cpk1994]

Wow, I agree with gbpackfan!


Let the guy into camp and if nobody wants him, cut him.


Sending the team president down to tell a surefire HOF QB to stay the hell away while squating on his rights? Man, I would never have proposed such a crazy story in a million years.

Ras, I thought you were a level headed one. Are you actually accpeting media's word? We have no idea what Murphy is going down there to do. Who says they are not letting him into camp? They say sources. As someone said who are these sources. I'm willing to bet Bus Cook, Scott Favre or someone close to the family. Im disappointed in you Ras. I thought you were better than that.

[Lurker64]

My personal hope is that Murphy has gone down there to say:

"Brett, you're not going to be the starter week 1. We'd like to help you play football in week 1, but we're not going to do it by releasing you, that's not going to happen. So we're looking to trade you, but you're not making it easy on us to trade you. Could you please either talk to any of the teams that have expressed interest in trading for you or alternatively give us a list of teams that you would be interested in playing? The sooner you can do either of these things, the better it is for either of us. If you're not going to either tell us the names of teams outside the division you're willing to pay for or actually talk to the teams who want you, you're just not going to be very happy and you're going to make a mess for everybody, especially yourself."

Less to beg him to stay home and more to say "you're not helping your case here, here's how you can help yourself."

[Rastak]

Wow, I agree with gbpackfan!


Let the guy into camp and if nobody wants him, cut him.


Sending the team president down to tell a surefire HOF QB to stay the hell away while squating on his rights? Man, I would never have proposed such a crazy story in a million years.

Ras, I thought you were a level headed one. Are you actually accpeting media's word? We have no idea what Murphy is going down there to do. Who says they are not letting him into camp? They say sources. As someone said who are these sources. I'm willing to bet Bus Cook, Scott Favre or someone close to the family. Im disappointed in you Ras. I thought you were better than that.

Dude, you think they shipped the president of the team down there to welcome him back? Not the GM, the president. Yikes. What other reasonable conclusion is there? GM asks him to stay away a few days. He files and the team president is dispatched immediately, what do you think his message will be? Screw the media, let's use common sense.

I have to admit this is one of the strangest stories I've come across in my many years watching the NFL. High drama like TO and the Eagles.

[Patler]

"So we're looking to trade you, but you're not making it easy on us to trade you. Could you please either talk to any of the teams that have expressed interest in trading for you or alternatively give us a list of teams that you would be interested in playing?"

I think the problem is that Favre has said:

"Here's my list:
"Minnesota Vikings
"How soon can you get a deal done?"

[Rastak]

"So we're looking to trade you, but you're not making it easy on us to trade you. Could you please either talk to any of the teams that have expressed interest in trading for you or alternatively give us a list of teams that you would be interested in playing?"

I think the problem is that Favre has said:

"Here's my list:
"Minnesota Vikings
"How soon can you get a deal done?"

I obviously don't know this for sure but I am guessing his list would be:


1) Green Bay Packers
2) Minnesota Vikings

[HowardRoark]

My personal hope is that Murphy has gone down there to say:

"Brett, you're not going to be the starter week 1. We'd like to help you play football in week 1, but we're not going to do it by releasing you, that's not going to happen. So we're looking to trade you, but you're not making it easy on us to trade you. Could you please either talk to any of the teams that have expressed interest in trading for you or alternatively give us a list of teams that you would be interested in playing? The sooner you can do either of these things, the better it is for either of us. If you're not going to either tell us the names of teams outside the division you're willing to pay for or actually talk to the teams who want you, you're just not going to be very happy and you're going to make a mess for everybody, especially yourself."

Less to beg him to stay home and more to say "you're not helping your case here, here's how you can help yourself."

I agree. Murphy is doing his job. He is not going down there to beg. This issue is above TT’s pay grade in my opinion. It is about the organization. And quite frankly, the fact that he is a “new guy” works to his advantage. He has no emotional baggage.

Let TT do his job. Sign Grant, etc.

Let McCarthy coach the football team. He is a football coach. Coaching people who play football. With footballs. On the football field. Next to the football stadium. In a football town.

[mmmdk]

My personal hope is that Murphy has gone down there to say:

"Brett, you're not going to be the starter week 1. We'd like to help you play football in week 1, but we're not going to do it by releasing you, that's not going to happen. So we're looking to trade you, but you're not making it easy on us to trade you. Could you please either talk to any of the teams that have expressed interest in trading for you or alternatively give us a list of teams that you would be interested in playing? The sooner you can do either of these things, the better it is for either of us. If you're not going to either tell us the names of teams outside the division you're willing to pay for or actually talk to the teams who want you, you're just not going to be very happy and you're going to make a mess for everybody, especially yourself."

Less to beg him to stay home and more to say "you're not helping your case here, here's how you can help yourself."

Wuhuu! Nice post.

[HowardRoark]

HE wanted back in before he wanted to go to the vikings and I doubt he gives a fuck about wearing pruple. He just knows that is where he can get revenge. Is it so wrong to be human. I bet any of us in the same situation would feel rejected as well. We just might have dealt with it differently but I probably wouldnt have.

This is an interesting point. I have been wondering myself why he wants to go to MN so bad. It certainly is not the facilities, town, etc.

Sure they have a good team that needs a QB, but there are other places that could work for him.

I have read a few places that Brett is non-confrontational. He has never come off as a vindictive person to me.

What he is though, is someone who needs to be coddled. I think that’s the reason he wants to go to MN. He feels with Bevell and Childress he will have a situation like he did with Sherman.

[cpk1994]

Wow, I agree with gbpackfan!


Let the guy into camp and if nobody wants him, cut him.


Sending the team president down to tell a surefire HOF QB to stay the hell away while squating on his rights? Man, I would never have proposed such a crazy story in a million years.

Ras, I thought you were a level headed one. Are you actually accpeting media's word? We have no idea what Murphy is going down there to do. Who says they are not letting him into camp? They say sources. As someone said who are these sources. I'm willing to bet Bus Cook, Scott Favre or someone close to the family. Im disappointed in you Ras. I thought you were better than that.

Dude, you think they shipped the president of the team down there to welcome him back? Not the GM, the president. Yikes. What other reasonable conclusion is there? GM asks him to stay away a few days. He files and the team president is dispatched immediately, what do you think his message will be? Screw the media, let's use common sense.

I have to admit this is one of the strangest stories I've come across in my many years watching the NFL. High drama like TO and the Eagles.

How about this as Lurker said:

"Brett, you're not going to be the starter week 1. We'd like to help you play football in week 1, but we're not going to do it by releasing you, that's not going to happen. So we're looking to trade you, but you're not making it easy on us to trade you. Could you please either talk to any of the teams that have expressed interest in trading for you or alternatively give us a list of teams that you would be interested in playing? The sooner you can do either of these things, the better it is for either of us. If you're not going to either tell us the names of teams outside the division you're willing to pay for or actually talk to the teams who want you, you're just not going to be very happy and you're going to make a mess for everybody, especially yourself."

Again, I thought were better than taking what the media says as gospel.

[The Leaper]

Brett, you're not going to be the starter week 1. We'd like to help you play football in week 1, but we're not going to do it by releasing you, that's not going to happen. So we're looking to trade you, but you're not making it easy on us to trade you.

Sorry Lurker...

Favre doesn't have to "make it easy" any more than the Packers have to "release him".

The Packers don't hold all the cards here. They certainly have the strongest hand at the moment, but there are still cards to be dealt...and Favre isn't going to fold before the hand is through.

[Bretsky]

Brett, you're not going to be the starter week 1. We'd like to help you play football in week 1, but we're not going to do it by releasing you, that's not going to happen. So we're looking to trade you, but you're not making it easy on us to trade you.

Sorry Lurker...

Favre doesn't have to "make it easy" any more than the Packers have to "release him".

The Packers don't hold all the cards here. They certainly have the strongest hand at the moment, but there are still cards to be dealt...and Favre isn't going to fold before the hand is through.

And he shouldn't

If Bus Cook is on the top of his game he will reqeust a deadline by which the Packers either trade or release Favre for him to agree to do anything to help him

[RashanGary]

Hopefully Murph can get something done. We'll see.

[The Leaper]

Hopefully Murph can get something done. We'll see.

The newbie president is going to suddenly solve all this with a trip to see Favre?

Don't get your hopes up.

[Fritz]

It becomes increasingly clear to me that the best way to put an end to this fiasco is to trade Favre - to Minnesota.

TT is wrong to flat out reject that possibility. Yes, you'd have to play Favre and the Queens - but how many times? Twice this year, maybe once more in the playoffs. And then? Next offseason, Favre does the retirement dance, and then if he came back, you'd have to play him and the Queens twice again. Then it'd be over. And if he came back after that, my sense is his skills will have declined significantly as his desire to put in the offseason work continues to wane.

So the Packers would have a short term issue to deal with - playing the Queens and Favre maybe four or five times in two years. But if the team doesn't resolve this issue soon, the organization will put a drag on this year's team by saddling it with a huge circus. That may well be more damaging than playing Favre twice or three times this year.

If you trade him to Minny, then you've treated Favre as well as possible given the cirumstances. You can say you've moved on, but that you gave Favre his second wish: to play for the Queens. This might help patch up his relationship to the Packers.

The team has a strong inteest in putting an end to this. Having Favre report and then hang around as a backup is not going to be good for this team. Even if Rodgers gets injured, the damage done by having to deal with the media circus every week ("Will Brett play if Aaron throws some intereptions? When Rodgers comes back from his injury, who will start?") will be more damage than Favre can do from Minnesota.

What can TT get from the Queens? I dunno - maybe if he agrees to trade Favre and drop the tampering charges, he could get a third rounder.

At this point, I think that's the best case scenario for everyone. And at the risk of sounding heretical, I don't think Minny having a less-than-conditioned Favre who is with a new team and has no relationship with any of the receivers is as big a threat as you might think. If Childress is the kind of coach he appears to be from afar, we might see more of the Favre-gone-wild kind of play that we saw in the last Sherman years.