Murphy heads south, asking Favre to stay home

[BallHawk]

I have a question for all of those that, in the last 90 days, decided to dislike Favre -

Lets just say the Packers decide to let Favre come back and compete for the starting QB position and he wins. After all the crappy things you've said about Favre, would you still come out and cheer him on?

Where I believe there is a difference is that those (and I will add, majority, not all) that are supporting Favre will still cheer for Rodgers when it comes down to it. I can't say that about all those spewing all the hatred toward Favre. Of those supporting Favre throughout this I really can't name anyone that has bashed Rodgers the way Favre has taken a beating. I just don't get it.

Yes, without a doubt I would root for Favre. He's been our QB since '92 and he demands respect. I would root for him just like I would root for Rodgers. Now, I would feel better if Rodgers put up big numbers compared to Favre because it'd be nice to see the young guy brush the chip off his shoulder.

I would root for Brett on the playing field, I think all of us would. Nobody would hope he'd get injured or throw 5 INTs, because that'd be against the team and I'd hope we're fans of the team over any 1 player. Off the field, I've lost a lot of respect for Favre and I've come to respect Aaron a lot more.

[NewsBruin]

Who are these sources? Where does this shit come from? Who extrapolates all this "content" from situations that are "*going to*" happen.

The media is just continuing to disgust me.

This may already be answered, but private planes' registry numbers, flight logs, and passenger lists are public information. The JS may have sources, but the flight data can confirm the tip.

Example: Reporters tracked the president of Colonial Bank taking Auburn University's Athletic Director and University President to Louisville to talk to Bobby Petrino the night before Auburn's biggest rivalry game using his company's jet's tail numbers. Ever since, head coach Tuberville has had huge public support and is untouchable at AU.

[Pacopete4]

I'm annoyed by all the crap Favre has pulled, but I'd be totally behind him when he returns. I just don't think it's going to happen. You can't tear into your GM like Favre did. It's over. He won't play for GB.

Where is Lance Briggs playing these days?...

[mraynrand]

The NFLN just reported that Favre had a bowel movement. They counted 18 kernels of undigested corn.

[Harlan Huckleby]

but Favre was misguided to think he could win a PR war. He would have been much better off hammering out a compromise behind the scenes. Why go to war with people who can fuck you, and not in a happy way?

What if they weren't willing to give Favre what he wanted? Since they hold all the cards, what other choice does he have but to either play a really weak PR hand or become a cancer, which then would kill his PR ability (See Favre can only win a 'PR war' if people like him, which they stop doing once he wages an ugly PR war - which for the most part, has already happened). That leaves him with only the 12 million dollar angle, and becoming a cancer.

How is this drama going to finally end? In a compromise between Favre and the Packers. The Packers are not going to be motivated by the bad publicity, that is water over the dam. They are going to be motivated by a desire to have a resolution that looks acceptable to the public, and one which Favre is content with.

That dynamic has not changed one bit since last June when the shit hit the fan. Favre is gaining no bargaining position. He's only damaging his reputation and reducing his value and options. He could have gotten a better deal in June.

Trouble is, he didn't realize how weak his hand was.

[GrnBay007]

I've come to respect Aaron a lot more.

Can you please explain what Rodgers has done to gain so much of your respect? I'm not being sarcastic, I'm really interested in knowing.....

Seems to me he held a clipboard, played 2 1/2 quarters in the Dallas game and has been given the starting QB position. I'm sure he's impressed his coach.....but how has he earned your respect?

[digitaldean]

Lets just say the Packers decide to let Favre come back and compete for the starting QB position and he wins. After all the crappy things you've said about Favre, would you still come out and cheer him on?

Where I believe there is a difference is that those (and I will add, majority, not all) that are supporting Favre will still cheer for Rodgers when it comes down to it.

Well of course everyone will cheer for Rodgers.

It is only Favre who has (arguably) disgraced himself.

I would cheer for #4, but I have a little less respect for him after how this was handled.

Those who think the team is correct to move on, aren't trying to put little pins into Brett Favre voodoo dolls. Some of us think the melodrama of the last 4 years put Favre before the team. Some think that the title game was just another case of his skills dropping off.

FOR ME, it's the melodrama plus the other factors of using surrogates to do your commentary that appeared to be a bit much or throwing M3 under the bus re: Mooch's non-interview. (not to mention having a separate locker room, etc.).

[MOBB DEEP]

I've come to respect Aaron a lot more.

Can you please explain what Rodgers has done to gain so much of your respect? I'm not being sarcastic, I'm really interested in knowing.....

Seems to me he held a clipboard, played 2 1/2 quarters in the Dallas game and has been given the starting QB position. I'm sure he's impressed his coach.....but how has he earned your respect?

A: by not being favre....

[Pacopete4]

Rodgers is at about the same respect level than when we drafted him... to me, players earn respect over time... Rodgers has not had his time yet

[boiga]

I have a question for all of those that, in the last 90 days, decided to dislike Favre -

Lets just say the Packers decide to let Favre come back and compete for the starting QB position and he wins. After all the crappy things you've said about Favre, would you still come out and cheer him on?

Where I believe there is a difference is that those (and I will add, majority, not all) that are supporting Favre will still cheer for Rodgers when it comes down to it. I can't say that about all those spewing all the hatred toward Favre. Of those supporting Favre throughout this I really can't name anyone that has bashed Rodgers the way Favre has taken a beating. I just don't get it.

Yes, I think everyone here would support Favre if the happy fairy land ending occurred and this all got resolved peacefully. Unfortunately though, that's not really possible at this point. Favre wants to start, the Packers don't want him to, and ne'er between shall meet. I would certainly respect him a lot less than I did 2 months ago, but I would definitely cheer him on.

However, I disagree with how supportive the pro-Favre crowd have been for Rodgers. This board was actually civil compared to a couple of others that I had been visiting. Some posters were threatening to go Tonya Harding on him a couple of days ago to get Favre back. People were wishing hell and damnation for the next generation of packer fans for the "the curse of #4." Even woodbuck had to be reminded he was a Packer fan first, which he now reminds us of every single post.

So, I would argue the craziness goes both ways here. The major difference is that A-Rod is trying to be a Packer while Brett is trying to not be one, so supporting the packers means supporting Rodgers at this juncture. People are slowly coming around to that and the vehemence against Rodgers has been abating.

But Favre's been acting more and more like an ass lately... so I suppose anger at him is increasing, which is what you are picking up on.

[Harlan Huckleby]

right now, I think I would throw eggs at Brett Favre.

But I could change my mind pretty quickly, I don't take this stuff too seriously.

[mraynrand]

They are going to be motivated by a desire to have a resolution that looks acceptable to the public, and one which Favre is content with.

Why should they even do this? They want Favre retired, and he has to behave like a total bastard to get them to do anything different. I'm not even sure that he's capable of being the kind of nasty cancer that would get him relased. Plus, the Packers could always give him the old Terry Glenn (NE) or Keyshawn Johnson (Tampa) treatment and say, you're on the squad, but stay away. The team really can't look much worse, but Favre could kill his whole endorsement future if he makes it ugly.

[CaptainKickass]

Are there any other reasons why Murph (& the magic tones) would travel to Miss to speak with Brett?

Not necessarily my view but I haven't heard this:

...to tell Brett that the team welcomes him back and will reinstate him as the starter?

Anyone else good at being Satan's Advocate?

[BallHawk]

I've come to respect Aaron a lot more.

Can you please explain what Rodgers has done to gain so much of your respect? I'm not being sarcastic, I'm really interested in knowing.....

To start, he's been excellent with the media. He hasn't disrespected Brett or expressed frustration at the situation. He says repeatedly "Brett will do what Brett will do. I am the starting QB of the Packers and I intend on winning football games."

He's shown the type of poise with the media you look for in a young QB. He's handled it like a gentleman.

And I feel he's gone the extra mile with teammates. Having them over to his house for dinner, video games, etc. He's making himself open and approachable which I think Favre has lacked in the last few years.

Really, the 24 year old kid is outclassing the 38 year old veteran. It's that simple.

[Pacopete4]

all that has to be done is Rodgers play well... basically all this other BS will end then, i wonder what the odds are of that though