Vets want Favre back

[The Leaper]

Re: Vets want Favre back

Maybe a lot of the players think Rodgers is close to Favre in ability and provides the best hope for the future.

Best hope for the future...sure. That's a no-brainer.

Close to Favre in ability now? That is just a stretch IMO. How can anyone honestly think Rodgers could put up an MVP worthy performance in 2008 as a first time starter? Yeah, I know Favre isn't guaranteed to do that either...but it wouldn't be nearly as difficult to imagine as it would for Rodgers.

[RIPackerFan]

What's great about this conversation is that we will actually get to see who is right.

I personally think that Arod will struggle. The experience factor alone is huge. It seems last year that every other TD was an audible called by Favre to the receivers. I just don't think Arod will be able to do that yet.

Who knows, I may be wrong....but we will get to see - won't we.

[packinpatland]

Re: Vets want Favre back

Barnett and Pickett have gone on record saying they want Favre to be the quarterback if he is better.

Any veteran is going to want the BETTER quarterback. Players want to win...NOW.

Players want to win...that is true..but, they don't necessarily want the "better" qb.

Brett may be the "better" qb..but, maybe the qb who makes the least amount of mistakes, who doesn't go off the script and stays within the framework of the offense presents the best chance to win.

That is something that brett will never offer. When the going gets really tough...brett will improvise..and that can kill a team.

But you have to admit that 'shovel pass in the snow' was amazing.

[mission]

We dont need audibles for touchdowns.

We need 3 yards and a cloud of dust.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Re: Vets want Favre back

Close to Favre in ability now? That is just a stretch IMO. How can anyone honestly think Rodgers could put up an MVP worthy performance in 2008 as a first time starter? Yeah, I know Favre isn't guaranteed to do that either...but it wouldn't be nearly as difficult to imagine as it would for Rodgers.

Favre was awesome last year. However, with Favre's mental state and lack of commitment this offseason (plus, his age), I doubt whether he'd have the same kind of success this year. Even if he came back, I would have expected a dropoff. If he provides something closer to 2006 (I think 2005 was an aberration) than 2007, then it's not inconceivable that Rodgers could be close to his level THIS YEAR. Of course, we don't know if Rodgers can stay healthy. The coaches seem to really like him. His teammates also seem to believe in his ability. The only thing we can go off of is preseason and the Dallas game. He looked great against Dallas (but it's just one game) and he's looked good the last two preseasons (but it's just preseason).

[HarveyWallbangers]

What's great about this conversation is that we will actually get to see who is right.

I personally think that Arod will struggle. The experience factor alone is huge. It seems last year that every other TD was an audible called by Favre to the receivers. I just don't think Arod will be able to do that yet.

Who knows, I may be wrong....but we will get to see - won't we.

I don't necessarily disagree, but he's been the offense for 3 years, so I wouldn't be surprised if the learning curve is small. Durability is my main concern. If Thompson doesn't sign a veteran QB, he'll get valid criticism if Rodgers gets injured and Brohm isn't up to task.

[BallHawk]

Favre will not go out with a bang, I just hope he doesn't go out with a whimper.

[cpk1994]

Re: Vets want Favre back

I see your Seattle and raise you a 5-Int game against Cincinatti, 6-int game against STL, and host of games in 2005.

2005? When Favre was playing with guys like Gado and Taco Wallace? Yawn.

The endless campaign to prove that Favre is some kind of threat to Green Bay's success is entirely laughable. The guy proved himself as one of the best QBs to ever play the game...period.

You seem to forget that CIncinatti game. You know the one where the defense kept giving him the ball back, shut down Chad Johnson & Carson Palmer, and Favre kept giving the ball back.

Also, so what if he is proven? He is also proven in 2005 to be a detriment as well. Who cares what the talent was. HE still threw the ints, many of which would have been avoided if he actually used common sense. No one has labeled him a threat to the team. He has been labeled a selfish, whiny petulant primadonna and spoiled brat who got butt hurt becuase the Packers no longer bow down to the almighty Favre and cater to his every whim by dropping all plans to suit his needs. Its people like you that think Favre can do no wrong that has gotten him this feeling of self entitlement.
From the looks of things, you got butt hurt too.

[BallHawk]

Re: Vets want Favre back

You seem to forget that CIncinatti game. You know the one where the defense kept giving him the ball back, shut down Chad Johnson & Carson Palmer, and Favre kept giving the ball back.

C'mon, CPK, you know the drill. When Favre puts up big numbers it's because he's the most talented man on earth. When he puts up bad numbers it's because the team around him isn't good enough.

[The Leaper]

Re: Vets want Favre back

You seem to forget that CIncinatti game. You know the one where the defense kept giving him the ball back, shut down Chad Johnson & Carson Palmer, and Favre kept giving the ball back.

Sure...Favre has bad games. Every QB does. Pointing to a handful of games and saying "Favre sucks...he can't be counted on" is ridiculous.

Guess what...Rodgers will have his share of duds too. And he's likely to have more of them in his first season of action than at any other time.

That is my point.

[cpk1994]

Re: Vets want Favre back

You seem to forget that CIncinatti game. You know the one where the defense kept giving him the ball back, shut down Chad Johnson & Carson Palmer, and Favre kept giving the ball back.

C'mon, CPK, you know the drill. When Favre puts up big numbers it's because he's the most talented man on earth. When he puts up bad numbers it's because the team around him isn't good enough.

Yes I know, I forgot. I'll remember in the future. I promise.

[The Leaper]

Re: Vets want Favre back

From the looks of things, you got butt hurt too.

What the fuck is this? Are you retarded, or do you actually try to look like a douche?

[HarveyWallbangers]

I give him a pass on the 2005 season. That was an incredibly fluky season with all of the injuries to the skill position. Obviously, he didn't handle being on a bad team with poor skill position talent around him very well, but I doubt any QB would have done well. At least, he showed the heart to keep firing. A lot of guys would have protected their own stats with that team, but he was still trying to win every game--his stats be damned.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Re: Vets want Favre back

That is something that brett will never offer. When the going gets really tough...brett will improvise..and that can kill a team.

Yeah...he killed them after they got in a 14-0 hole against Seatlle. The going got tough, and he let them down.

Bottom line: Favre came up BIG last year at least 5 times for every time he came up small.

I prefer that he come up big in meaningful games...like the last one of the season.

What makes brett magical is also what makes him problematic.

Point being is that nothing you've said changes the fact that perhaps what this team needs is less magic and more game manager.

[cpk1994]

Re: Vets want Favre back

You seem to forget that CIncinatti game. You know the one where the defense kept giving him the ball back, shut down Chad Johnson & Carson Palmer, and Favre kept giving the ball back.

Sure...Favre has bad games. Every QB does. Pointing to a handful of games and saying "Favre sucks...he can't be counted on" is ridiculous.

Guess what...Rodgers will have his share of duds too. And he's likely to have more of them in his first season of action than at any other time.

That is my point.

But you were the one only pointing to the Seattle game to make a point. I rebutted with a bunch of games. Also sayinbg ARod sucks, like you have is rediculous becuase he hasn't been given the chance.