No open competition...

[Zool]

This whole thing is ridiculous. It's a shameful time to be a Packer fan, watching a once great organization bite its thumb at the player who made it what it was.

You might be living a little too much for a sports team. Just a thought.

Green Bay Packers Est. 1921

Partial Est. ~1984

[MOBB DEEP]

blah, blah,blah--this whole thing is bs. I can't believe some of you fuckers around here!

unintentionally my first lol this morn

[MadtownPacker]

Unfortunately, the defense just couldn't hold up.

Funny, that is one of those "excuses" you say people use for Favre.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Unfortunately, the defense just couldn't hold up.

Funny, that is one of those "excuses" you say people use for Favre.

I've made plenty of excuses for Favre, but comparing a defense that gave up 37 points (as the Packers did against Dallas) to a defense that gave up 20 points (as the Packers did in regulation against the Giants) isn't really that fair.

The defense held up enough in the Giants game that the offense had a good chance of winning the game if they could have done their part (21 points isn't a huge number to expect out of the offense). Expecting them to score 38 points is a little different--especially since the game was in the second quarter and the Packers had only scored 7 points to that point (31 points in under 45 minutes at Dallas would have been asking a lot for anybody).

[mission]

Frank Reich coulda done it tho...

You think Frank would QB for us ... ?

[The Leaper]

I've made plenty of excuses for Favre, but comparing a defense that gave up 37 points (as the Packers did against Dallas) to a defense that gave up 20 points (as the Packers did in regulation against the Giants) isn't really that fair.

You have to factor the conditions into the game...you can't compare a pseudo-dome game in Texas to a zero degree chillfest in Green Bay.

IMO, the defense was pathetic in both games. Dallas produced more big plays, while the Giants just simply wore down our defense by racking up 4-5 yards a pop with alarming consistency.

Any defense that allows the opponent to have a 2:1 advantage in time of possession isn't getting it done.

[mission]

Defense was horrible because they were on the field the whole fucking time ...


Again -- I can tell you never played ball. Your leadership comments and shit like the above just ... man... I hate BRETTGATE 08. This is frustrating.

[The Leaper]

Defense was horrible because they were on the field the whole fucking time ...

Well...make a stop and get the hell off the field then. Is it Favre's fault the defense can't get off the field? Someone STOP Burress. Someone STOP the Giants running game.

The defense couldn't do it...and were on the field for forever. That's on THEM.

[cpk1994]

Defense was horrible because they were on the field the whole fucking time ...

Well...make a stop and get the hell off the field then. Is it Favre's fault the defense can't get off the field? Someone STOP Burress. Someone STOP the Giants running game.

The defense couldn't do it...and were on the field for forever. That's on THEM.

But you are forgetting that even with all of the defenses problems that the game was TIED 20-20, Packers with the ball and a chance to win Favre chokes with the interception. Thats why Favre getrs the blame for it.

[The Leaper]

But you are forgetting that even with all of the defenses problems that the game was TIED 20-20, Packers with the ball and a chance to win Favre chokes with the interception. Thats why Favre getrs the blame for it.

Yeah, he deserves plenty of blame for that throw.

However, he delivered a great throw that Martin dropped in the 4th quarter...which could have extended a drive and potentially set up a winning score in regulation.

It is a TEAM sport. There are plenty of opportunities for players to make plays during a game. The Giants as a team made far more plays. That is why they won.

Hopefully, the young roster learned a lesson and will step up and make the plays necessary next time to win. Rather than waiting for Favre to make a play, sometimes they need to go out and make something happen on their own.

[Partial]

1. Nobody's saying Favre played bad against Seattle. Don't know what your point is there.

LURKER SAID HE PLAYED BAD IN THE SNOW. FUNNY, THE ONE GAME IN THE SNOW HE WAS LIGHTS OUT.

2. Yes, it wasn't Favre's fault on the punts, but we were backed up in our red zone each time. He wasn't moving the ball. That's also down on Grant and the rest of the offense, but when cold weather comes Favre just gets the "anywhere else but here" loook.

THAT COULDN'T HAPPEN TO BE FROM A DOMINATING DEFENSE (#1 IN PREVIOUS SEASON) GETTING HEALTHY?!? MAYBE THE 3RD COLDEST GAME AND CRAZY WIND TOO... GIMME A BREAK.

3. Rodgers played well enough to beat Dallas. Look at his stats against Dallas and then look at Favre's stats against Seattle (a near perfect game, as you said). Completions are equal, Aaron has more yardage, Favre has two more TDs, although it is worth mentioning that Aaron led the Packers to score on 2 of their first 3 drives. Add in an 18/26 passing performance with 200 yards and you cannot deny that's good enough to win the football game. You can't deny that, Partial, or at least you'd be foolish not to. Our defense lost us that game. And Favre's two early INTs didn't help.

AARON PLAYED DECENT ENOUGH, BUT THEY DIDN'T CHANGE THEIR GAMEPLAN TO ACCOUNT FOR HIS GREATER, ALBEIT NOT GOOD, MOBILITY. THEY KEPT BLITZING THEIR OLBS AND WERE GETTING BURNED WHEN RODGERS STEPPED UP.

4. And great job of contradicting yourself, P. You said

He's not a dual-threat quarterback by any stretch of the imagination. How did this fallacy come about?

He's average speed

Now, why would it matter if Dallas didn't gameplan for a QB that "Is not a dual-threat and has average speed?"

Make up your mind, P. You're making yourself look foolish.

Game. Set. Match.

NO, I NEVER SAID HE WAS SCRAMBLING AROUND MAKING PLAYS. FAVRE IS PRETTY STATIONARY. RODGERS MOVES MORE. THEY KEPT BLITZING AND HAD ZERO CONTAINMENT. RODGERS HAS AVERAGE MOBILITY AT BEST. THAT DOESN'T MEAN HE CAN'T SCRAMBLE AROUND WHEN THERE IS AN OPENING. TEAMS AREN'T GOING TO GAMEPLAN AROUND IT, THOUGH, BUT THEY ALSO WON'T GAMEPLAN TO BLITZ THE WAY THEY DID FOR THE IMMOBILE FAVRE. WITH FAVRE, ITS A NEGATIVE. WITH RODGERS, ITS NOT A POSITIVE OR A NEGATIVE. IT JUST IS.

Besides, Favre has never played well in Dallas. Should we have moved on in 1995 after a playoff loss in Big D?

[Zool]

ANGRY SNAKE CAPS FTW!

[sharpe1027]

MM said that Rodgers is the starter and their wouldn't be a competition.

I would like to see this statement and the context it was given in.

[BallHawk]

ANGRY SNAKE CAPS FTW!

Did somebody say Snake?

[MJZiggy]

This whole thing is ridiculous. It's a shameful time to be a Packer fan, watching a once great organization bite its thumb at the player who made it what it was.

I still don't get it. Can somebody PLEASE tell me what the Packers did to Bart Starr?