20 million dollar question

[Harlan Huckleby]

This explanation of the $20M offer makes perfect sense. What a rumor mill.

[sharpe1027]

What is good for the goose is good for the gander.

I agree.

My points were relating to those who were critical of Favre for what he was doing. My contention is that both sides have the right to play hardball.

I can agree that they have a right to play hardball, I just think that shouldn't have done so as early as they did, especially Favre who seemed to be throwing punches from the start.

[bobblehead]

Re: 20 million dollar question

I think it would be very likely that murph offered favre a 20 million dollar 10 year deal to "work for the packers in a number of ways" kinda deal. You know, we don't want you to be our QB, but we feel you deserve the payout and would like to keep you with the organization kinda deal.

This would be far different than a bribe to stay home, and seems the only reasonable thing that I can imagine that would have occurred.

I don't know if it was stated yet, but I just saw on NFL Network that this "$20 Million Dollar Deal" was offered to Brett the day he retired. Let me repeat that for all the people who don't catch on, it was offered to him the day he retired. It was an incentives package thanking him for his time, and to pay him for future "works", ie, appearences, he would make for the Green Bay Packers. While down in Mississippi, Mark Murphy simply reminded him of that offer, and that it still stood. Both times, in March, and now, they were refused. In March, as reported, Favre refused it because he told Ted Thompson, "If I leave, I really dont' want to be reminded of what I walked away from."

And there you go...take it as you want it.

Shamelessly bumping my own thread....because I think I was right with one addition. The offer was as stated above, but I think in addition, the only reason murphy brought it up now was to point out to brett that they had to delay that offer if he plays this season. If he plays with us its a cap situation, if he plays with someone else it will be a conflict...but he probably assured him it would still be on the table when he finally calls it a career.

The way it was leaked....what a shitty play on the part of favres camp.

[cpk1994]

Why the hell would Favre want to work for an organization that is preventing him from a guaranteed starting position?

You are incorrect Sharpe.

Favre asked if he coming back to COMPETE was an option. Green Bay said no.

Make no mistake. Green Bay's position right now is to do everything possible to keep Favre from playing football anywhere in 2008, including offering $20M buyouts.

You are also wrong. Favre claims the Packers said he can't compete. Not one person in the Packers orginzation hsa made that statement. Im not inclined to believe in Favre in anyway, what with him being less than truthful the last few months.

[Gunakor]

Why the hell would Favre want to work for an organization that is preventing him from a guaranteed starting position?

You are incorrect Sharpe.

Favre asked if he coming back to COMPETE was an option. Green Bay said no.

Make no mistake. Green Bay's position right now is to do everything possible to keep Favre from playing football anywhere in 2008, including offering $20M buyouts.

You are also wrong. Favre claims the Packers said he can't compete. Not one person in the Packers orginzation hsa made that statement. Im not inclined to believe in Favre in anyway, what with him being less than truthful the last few months.

They kinda did though. When asked if Favre would be able to compete for his job back, Mike McCarthy said that Aaron Rodgers is his quarterback this year. Something about the new direction the team was going. He didn't literally say "No, Brett cannot compete for the starting job this year" but the implications were pretty obvious. I too think that there is no way Favre is allowed to be the starter this year, unless of course something happens to Aaron Rodgers early in the season. But it wouldn't come as a result of a competition.

[cpk1994]

Why the hell would Favre want to work for an organization that is preventing him from a guaranteed starting position?

You are incorrect Sharpe.

Favre asked if he coming back to COMPETE was an option. Green Bay said no.

Make no mistake. Green Bay's position right now is to do everything possible to keep Favre from playing football anywhere in 2008, including offering $20M buyouts.

You are also wrong. Favre claims the Packers said he can't compete. Not one person in the Packers orginzation hsa made that statement. Im not inclined to believe in Favre in anyway, what with him being less than truthful the last few months.

They kinda did though. When asked if Favre would be able to compete for his job back, Mike McCarthy said that Aaron Rodgers is his quarterback this year. Something about the new direction the team was going. He didn't literally say "No, Brett cannot compete for the starting job this year" but the implications were pretty obvious. I too think that there is no way Favre is allowed to be the starter this year, unless of course something happens to Aaron Rodgers early in the season. But it wouldn't come as a result of a competition.

ANd thats fine that you THINK that way. But don't do what Leaper is doing and present a Favre claim as fact. FAVRE claims they won't let him compete(Even though he already refused to complete in the first place). MCCARTHY has never said that at all. THOMPSON has never said that.

[Rastak]

Why the hell would Favre want to work for an organization that is preventing him from a guaranteed starting position?

You are incorrect Sharpe.

Favre asked if he coming back to COMPETE was an option. Green Bay said no.

Make no mistake. Green Bay's position right now is to do everything possible to keep Favre from playing football anywhere in 2008, including offering $20M buyouts.

You are also wrong. Favre claims the Packers said he can't compete. Not one person in the Packers orginzation hsa made that statement. Im not inclined to believe in Favre in anyway, what with him being less than truthful the last few months.

They kinda did though. When asked if Favre would be able to compete for his job back, Mike McCarthy said that Aaron Rodgers is his quarterback this year. Something about the new direction the team was going. He didn't literally say "No, Brett cannot compete for the starting job this year" but the implications were pretty obvious. I too think that there is no way Favre is allowed to be the starter this year, unless of course something happens to Aaron Rodgers early in the season. But it wouldn't come as a result of a competition.

ANd thats fine that you THINK that way. But don't do what Leaper is doing and present a Favre claim as fact. FAVRE claims they won't let him compete(Even though he already refused to complete in the first place). MCCARTHY has never said that at all. THOMPSON has never said that.

McCarthy pretty clearly stated Rodgers is the starter. That says no QB competition. In Chicago, they did not name a starter which means the top 2 compete for the starting job. There definately wasn't last year. Favre = starter Rodgers = backup and reps given to reflect that, period. Why would it be any different this year since a starter has already been named?

[Gunakor]

Why the hell would Favre want to work for an organization that is preventing him from a guaranteed starting position?

You are incorrect Sharpe.

Favre asked if he coming back to COMPETE was an option. Green Bay said no.

Make no mistake. Green Bay's position right now is to do everything possible to keep Favre from playing football anywhere in 2008, including offering $20M buyouts.

You are also wrong. Favre claims the Packers said he can't compete. Not one person in the Packers orginzation hsa made that statement. Im not inclined to believe in Favre in anyway, what with him being less than truthful the last few months.

They kinda did though. When asked if Favre would be able to compete for his job back, Mike McCarthy said that Aaron Rodgers is his quarterback this year. Something about the new direction the team was going. He didn't literally say "No, Brett cannot compete for the starting job this year" but the implications were pretty obvious. I too think that there is no way Favre is allowed to be the starter this year, unless of course something happens to Aaron Rodgers early in the season. But it wouldn't come as a result of a competition.

ANd thats fine that you THINK that way. But don't do what Leaper is doing and present a Favre claim as fact. FAVRE claims they won't let him compete(Even though he already refused to complete in the first place). MCCARTHY has never said that at all. THOMPSON has never said that.

I'm not presenting it as a Favre claim. I'm presenting it as a McCarthy claim. It's obvious that McCarthy won't allow a competition. Rodgers is his guy, MM said Rodgers is his guy, and that's it. No competition. This from the Green Bay Packers' comments, not from Favre's.

[cpk1994]

McCarthy has said Aaron is our starter yes. But McCarthy has NOT declared him the starter for Week 1 regular season. Also, McCarthy's claims come with Brett STILL RETIRED! When asked what he will do if Brett returns he said basically 'we'll decide what to do if we get there'. Naming your starter for the preseason does not preclude a competition. Just because Brett does not astart the preseason games doesn't mean he won't be the starter come week 1 regular season. So again, McCarthy has NEVER said there would be no competition. They only thing he has said is Arron Rodgers is the starter for the Preseason.

[The Leaper]

ANd thats fine that you THINK that way. But don't do what Leaper is doing and present a Favre claim as fact. FAVRE claims they won't let him compete(Even though he already refused to complete in the first place). MCCARTHY has never said that at all. THOMPSON has never said that.

You are an idiot if you haven't figured out at this point that the Packers have "moved on" and have no plans for incorporating Brett Favre into the QB situation in 2008.

Favre has been told there will be no competition...and there won't be.

[The Leaper]

I'm not presenting it as a Favre claim. I'm presenting it as a McCarthy claim. It's obvious that McCarthy won't allow a competition. Rodgers is his guy, MM said Rodgers is his guy, and that's it. No competition. This from the Green Bay Packers' comments, not from Favre's.

I agree 100%.

CPK just can't get off his anti-Favre kick.

[Gunakor]

McCarthy has said Aaron is our starter yes. But McCarthy has NOT declared him the starter for Week 1 regular season. Also, McCarthy's claims come with Brett STILL RETIRED! When asked what he will do if Brett returns he said basically 'we'll decide what to do if we get there'. Naming your starter for the preseason does not preclude a competition. Just because Brett does not astart the preseason games doesn't mean he won't be the starter come week 1 regular season. So again, McCarthy has NEVER said there would be no competition. They only thing he has said is Arron Rodgers is the starter for the Preseason.

cpk, I agree with you on alot of things. But this isn't one of them. There is no way, not a snowballs chance in hell, that Favre is named the starting QB for the Green Bay Packers this year. Anyone with half a brain can put 2 and 2 together and figure out where McCarthy stands on this one. He doesn't have to come out and say Favre can't be the starter - worded exactly like that - for us all to get the idea. He won't say it worded like that because it's just not the right thing to say. But it's what he means, and it's plainly obvious to everyone on both sides of this dispute.

[cpk1994]

ANd thats fine that you THINK that way. But don't do what Leaper is doing and present a Favre claim as fact. FAVRE claims they won't let him compete(Even though he already refused to complete in the first place). MCCARTHY has never said that at all. THOMPSON has never said that.

You are an idiot if you haven't figured out at this point that the Packers have "moved on" and have no plans for incorporating Brett Favre into the QB situation in 2008.

Favre has been told there will be no competition...and there won't be.

Show me McCarthy saying that. Show me the quote. I know you can't becuase it just ain't there. McCarthy has NEVER said that. Favre is the one making that claim. You truely are a Favre ass kisser if you take everything he says as gospel.

[cpk1994]

McCarthy has said Aaron is our starter yes. But McCarthy has NOT declared him the starter for Week 1 regular season. Also, McCarthy's claims come with Brett STILL RETIRED! When asked what he will do if Brett returns he said basically 'we'll decide what to do if we get there'. Naming your starter for the preseason does not preclude a competition. Just because Brett does not astart the preseason games doesn't mean he won't be the starter come week 1 regular season. So again, McCarthy has NEVER said there would be no competition. They only thing he has said is Arron Rodgers is the starter for the Preseason.

cpk, I agree with you on alot of things. But this isn't one of them. There is no way, not a snowballs chance in hell, that Favre is named the starting QB for the Green Bay Packers this year. Anyone with half a brain can put 2 and 2 together and figure out where McCarthy stands on this one. He doesn't have to come out and say Favre can't be the starter - worded exactly like that - for us all to get the idea. He won't say it worded like that because it's just not the right thing to say. But it's what he means, and it's plainly obvious to everyone on both sides of this dispute.

Of course he wown't say it becuase as of right now Aaron IS the starter becuase Brett is STILL RETIRED. When asked what if Brett comes back, McCarthy said "We'll see when we get there". Doesn't sound like a man who 100% against having a competition.

[Freak Out]

ANd thats fine that you THINK that way. But don't do what Leaper is doing and present a Favre claim as fact. FAVRE claims they won't let him compete(Even though he already refused to complete in the first place). MCCARTHY has never said that at all. THOMPSON has never said that.

You are an idiot if you haven't figured out at this point that the Packers have "moved on" and have no plans for incorporating Brett Favre into the QB situation in 2008.

Favre has been told there will be no competition...and there won't be.

Show me McCarthy saying that. Show me the quote. I know you can't becuase it just ain't there. McCarthy has NEVER said that. Favre is the one making that claim. You truely are a Favre ass kisser if you take everything he says as gospel.

For the time being it doesn't make a damn bit of difference what M3 did or didn't say because the GM has begged him to stay away and the damn commissar has not reinstated him.