Why do nearly all female packer fans support Favre?

[bobblehead]

Re: Why do nearly all female packer fans support Favre?

I'm not positive if my perception is correct, but Ziggy is the only female fan I have ever heard from that is not overwhelming supportive of giving Favre what he wants. That includes many fan interviews in the media.

They have the same information as everyone else. What is going on here?

Only an unmarried gay man would even muse such a question....find a chic, live with her, then ask about why they are making the irrational choice.

[packinpatland]

Re: Why do nearly all female packer fans support Favre?

I'm not positive if my perception is correct, but Ziggy is the only female fan I have ever heard from that is not overwhelming supportive of giving Favre what he wants. That includes many fan interviews in the media.

They have the same information as everyone else. What is going on here?

If Favre were Mexican or Latino, Zig would be changing her tune!!

Anyhow, Harlan, I don't agree with your statement at all. Most of us female rats here all agree that Favre went about this the wrong way and we're sick of dealing with it, as with everyone else. We wished he would have stayed retired and we fully support Rodgers. What upsets us is the way some of you feel the need to constantly bash Favre. Before he retired, I don't know of one person here who was hoping he wouldn't come back. JH excluded. Now with the whole situation, people suddenly say he's a bad teammate, can't win big games, blah blah blah. THAT is what upsets me personally, and I'm pretty sure 007 is in the same boat as me. It's because she's smart like that

I'm in agreement here.^

All I know for sure is this.......when MJ gets home from work......you guys aren't going to know what hit you.....

[Gunakor]

Re: Why do nearly all female packer fans support Favre?

I'm not positive if my perception is correct, but Ziggy is the only female fan I have ever heard from that is not overwhelming supportive of giving Favre what he wants. That includes many fan interviews in the media.

They have the same information as everyone else. What is going on here?

If Favre were Mexican or Latino, Zig would be changing her tune!!

Anyhow, Harlan, I don't agree with your statement at all. Most of us female rats here all agree that Favre went about this the wrong way and we're sick of dealing with it, as with everyone else. We wished he would have stayed retired and we fully support Rodgers. What upsets us is the way some of you feel the need to constantly bash Favre. Before he retired, I don't know of one person here who was hoping he wouldn't come back. JH excluded. Now with the whole situation, people suddenly say he's a bad teammate, can't win big games, blah blah blah. THAT is what upsets me personally, and I'm pretty sure 007 is in the same boat as me. It's because she's smart like that

Key phrase in this statement - "Before he retired..." Things have changed since then.

I don't blame Favre for changing his mind. We all do sometimes, and I don't place blame for that. But if all he wanted to do was play football this year, he wouldn't be blocking trades to Tampa or New York. It seems he has a greater agenda than simply playing football. I'm not 100% sure what that agenda is, but the most likely scenario is that he wanted to go play for the Vikings. That pisses me off big time, because after 16 HOF seasons as a Packer he should know better than to try and force a release so he can go play for an archrival.

That's not good for the Packers, and if he were really a Packer for life he'd understand that. My guess is he actually DOES understand that, but wants to do it anyway. That comes across as spiteful, and I have lost respect for him because of it. There would be far less Favre bashing around here if what he was doing didn't come across as a slap in the face to everything we are trying to do as a football team right now, which is make a smooth transition from Favre to Rodgers. A smooth transition seems almost impossible now, and Favre deserves a healthy share of the blame for that.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Re: Why do nearly all female packer fans support Favre?

All I know for sure is this.......when MJ gets home from work......you guys aren't going to know what hit you.....

I can bring home the bacon...
Fry it up in a pan...
And never ever let you forget you're a man,
'Cause I'm a WOMAN...with Enjoli

[GBRulz]

Gunakor, I think you missed my point. If you want to be pissed at Favre right now for his behavior, fine. So, does that mean it's ok to bash him for things not even related to this soap opera?

The general census of us before he retired all agreed he gave us our best chance to win, thought he really turned his play around, etc. Now, people are very bitter towards him and are throwing him under the bus for anything they can scrap at. Posting stupid stats of his career, negative games, etc.

That is what I don't agree with. Because he caused this big drama filled circus, it's like "oh, who cares, we never wanted him back anyhow."

[GBRulz]

Re: Why do nearly all female packer fans support Favre?

I can bring home the bacon...
Fry it up in a pan...
And never ever let you forget you're a man,
'Cause I'm a WOMAN...with Enjoli

Try and stick to the topic being discussed, will ya?

[woodbuck27]

Re: Why do nearly all female packer fans support Favre?

I'm not positive if my perception is correct, but Ziggy is the only female fan I have ever heard from that is not overwhelming supportive of giving Favre what he wants. That includes many fan interviews in the media.

They have the same information as everyone else. What is going on here?

Most female like Favre because they're smart.

They can enjoy him and set his style apart from the management approach since TT arrived to shelve him.

MJ is different. MJ is just MJ and she's somehow drawn to TT's closeted approach. MJ is also a tad on the picky side or endeavouring perfection and Favre will never be about that. Favre is about entertainment and letting it all hang out, and that excites a lot of women. Shit it excites a lot of men and that isn't good enough for the MJ types. **

Woodbuck,

Have you ever met or talked with MJ?

Well, I had to opportunity to meet her and get to know her at last year's PackerRats gathering. She is a highly intelligent woman who knows more about football than a lot of men including the majority of male posters on this forum.

She has her own reasoned insights about Favre, regardless of her gender.

Hey man. I observe people here really carefully and yes MJ certainly is bright. Know football? She's learning. She'll get there to I expect but she's a student like most of us. We do have people here that are stamped in dead smart on football.

MJ isn't one of them. She feels Favre has lost it.

[Gunakor]

Gunakor, I think you missed my point. If you want to be pissed at Favre right now for his behavior, fine. So, does that mean it's ok to bash him for things not even related to this soap opera?

The general census of us before he retired all agreed he gave us our best chance to win, thought he really turned his play around, etc. Now, people are very bitter towards him and are throwing him under the bus for anything they can scrap at. Posting stupid stats of his career, negative games, etc.

That is what I don't agree with. Because he caused this big drama filled circus, it's like "oh, who cares, we never wanted him back anyhow."

Well, he hasn't done a whole lot this offseason to show he's committed to winning. That's part of what I mean when I say things have changed since his retirement. Rodgers has put in the work required of the starting QB position where Favre has not. So I don't think it's unfair to call him out on it.

Remember that the last time he refused to put in the offseason work he didn't have such a great season. His greatest seasons came after MM and MH made him come to MC and put in the work. He hasn't done it this year, so I'd expect a season resembling other seasons where he didn't do it - which is to say, not so hot. My feelings have changed on this matter since March because of how things have played out since. Things have changed since his retirement. So I can't speak for others, but this is where I'm at.

[3irty1]

This is observation by Harlan is completely true.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Re: Why do nearly all female packer fans support Favre?

I can bring home the bacon...
Fry it up in a pan...
And never ever let you forget you're a man,
'Cause I'm a WOMAN...with Enjoli

Try and stick to the topic being discussed, will ya?

It was related to Pack's post about MJ.

[cpk1994]

Gunakor, I think you missed my point. If you want to be pissed at Favre right now for his behavior, fine. So, does that mean it's ok to bash him for things not even related to this soap opera?

The general census of us before he retired all agreed he gave us our best chance to win, thought he really turned his play around, etc. Now, people are very bitter towards him and are throwing him under the bus for anything they can scrap at. Posting stupid stats of his career, negative games, etc.

That is what I don't agree with. Because he caused this big drama filled circus, it's like "oh, who cares, we never wanted him back anyhow."

You don't have to scrap for anything to throw Favre under the bus for, he is doing a great job of supplying that stuff, thank you very much. To the orginal point of the thread its all about slurping Favre's salami.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Now, people are very bitter towards him and are throwing him under the bus for anything they can scrap at. Posting stupid stats of his career, negative games, etc.

That is what I don't agree with. Because he caused this big drama filled circus, it's like "oh, who cares, we never wanted him back anyhow."

I was not bitter towards Favre when the drama began. In fact, I defended him - so what, he changed his mind. I was hoping until very recently that he would come to camp as #2, and possibly move into the starting job.

I have grown increasingly angry at what I believe is his unreasonable sense of entitlement. When he sniffed at the Tampa trade, I realized he is bent on a slash and burn strategy.

We all make decisions in our lives that we have to live with. Favre made some decisions that caused him to lose his starting position with GB. Its totally cool that he should ask for his job back, but if the team has other plans, he should accept the consequences and figure out a plan B. That's life. But he lives in a Prima Donna dream world.

[cpk1994]

Now, people are very bitter towards him and are throwing him under the bus for anything they can scrap at. Posting stupid stats of his career, negative games, etc.

That is what I don't agree with. Because he caused this big drama filled circus, it's like "oh, who cares, we never wanted him back anyhow."

I was not bitter towards Favre when the drama began. In fact, I defended him - so what, he changed his mind. I was hoping until very recently that he would come to camp as #2, and possibly move into the starting job.

I have grown increasingly angry at what I believe is his unreasonable sense of entitlement. When he sniffed at the Tampa trade, I realized he is bent on a slash and burn strategy.

We all make decisions in our lives that we have to live with. Favre made some decisions that caused him to lose his starting position with GB. Its totally cool that he should ask for his job back, but if the team has other plans, he should accept the consequences and figure out a plan B. That's life. But he lives in a Prima Donna dream world.

[MJZiggy]

Ok, I'm home,

PIP, how am I supposed to hand it to them if you guys have already covered it all?

GBR, Let's not make assumptions...Always remember Jeff Garcia does nothing for me. (and neither does Jerry for that matter--now Cherry Garcia on the other hand...what was I saying?)

Woodbuck, worry about your own football knowledge before you comment on others' please. Fact of the matter is that I've had football conversations with both GBR and PIP and both can perfectly competently discuss their ideas and I'll take the high road with the rest of that thought. But until you show otherwise, I see that you've become a Favre fan rather than a Packer fan.

OPF, thank you for the kind words, and for having my back.

The fact of the matter is that this past season was the first time in about 15 years that I worried about the weather, etc. going into the playoffs. After the performance in Chicago (and it wasn't just Favre, but somehow the Bears seemed to get through it ok), I worried not so much when it snowed (though IIRC it wasn't balmy that day) but I worried about the Giants game. Blame the cold if you want, but Eli AND HIS TEAM got through it.

I tried for quite a while to figure out why Favre performed in the snow and not the cold, and got my answer a few day after the game when I read an article that quoted Favre as saying he'd always wanted to play in the snow and thought it was fun. The only problem is I also need him to perform in the cold where it's not so much fun.

If you will recall, when all the stories were swirling about his possible retirement and folks didn't want to believe it was possible, I wrote an article for the homepage talking about how it was possible and you'd better be ready for it. I had seen an interview with him SuperBowl week and he was acting and talking like a man who did not want to come back.

When he changed his mind, I wanted to wait and find out the details and then other people started talking to the media, I trusted Favre when he said there was nothing to it. That's when as a fan I lost trust in him, because I don't recall him lying before and when it became apparent that he was using the other people around him to get his message across (bashing the organization and the people who run it). So yes, I'm angry at his behavior.

However, when I started reading the opinions of others, my thinking on this jelled. Patler made a post sometime this week in the mass of threads on this topic that outlined (I believe) 5 reasons why the Packers want to stick with Rodgers and I agree with every one and do think that perhaps the team really never did forgive him for the way that last game ended. I thought it was a sucky way to end a career, but it is what it is.

I have never said Favre was a bad teammate, I don't think that at all, I loved watching him attempt a Lambeau leap. I loved watching him carry Driver around (though to be honest, I worried about him throwing out his back...). But at the moment, he is not considering what is best for the team in his decision making because it certainly isn't in their best interests to drag all this out and it could have been solved WEEKS ago had Favre made a decision and turned in his papers so they could figure out what to do (like in time for other teams to ponder their options for awhile and still get him in camp). Avoiding the whole "why should I" discussion when it came to competing with Rodgers would have been nice as well. That one offended a lot of folks who thought that if he'd given up the job and had already been replaced, why not put up a fight to get it back?

When he retired, I moved on. Had the team decided to take him back, I'd have easily accepted that decision and rooted for him like everyone (except JH) would have. But they didn't. They stuck to their guns and the whole mess just leaves us fans to figure it all out on the little information we have to go on. I think we're all trying to do that as best we can.

[MJZiggy]

Gunakor, I think you missed my point. If you want to be pissed at Favre right now for his behavior, fine. So, does that mean it's ok to bash him for things not even related to this soap opera?

The general census of us before he retired all agreed he gave us our best chance to win, thought he really turned his play around, etc. Now, people are very bitter towards him and are throwing him under the bus for anything they can scrap at. Posting stupid stats of his career, negative games, etc.

That is what I don't agree with. Because he caused this big drama filled circus, it's like "oh, who cares, we never wanted him back anyhow."

You don't have to scrap for anything to throw Favre under the bus for, he is doing a great job of supplying that stuff, thank you very much. To the orginal point of the thread its all about slurping Favre's salami.

This offends me. All of the women on this forum are perfectly capable of thinking about Favre's performance as a football player without consideration of what's in his pants, and have been doing so all along, obvously without you paying attention to it.