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  • #31
    Originally posted by imscott72

    I guess what I'm saying is if Murphy renewed the deal with stipulations like you said, such as "you have to go to a team we choose", how is that not a bribe? I guess the timing is what makes me suspicious. Why now do they choose to do this when it seems their only goal is to get rid of him so he can't come to camp? I can't help but think there were stipulations attached, but we'll probably never know unless Brett of course tells them to "shove it" and goes public with what was offered.


    Maybe Brett did tell them that. Didn't the reports say he left the meeting 5 hours or so before Murphy did?

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Fosco33
      Why stop there if your Brett or Bus? The stipulations keep falling by the day.

      Next thing the org does will offer a team to take Favre and we'll pay his salary (or we'll package him up with Grant to 'liven' up the deal). ANYTHING to 'make this go away'.

      Or maybe a full time look-a-like so he can only commit to appearances when he feels like it....



      Here's a thought. Let him compete for the starting QB position and see what happens. So you piss off Rodgers - why not trade him for some value and have Favre groom Brohm/Flynn for another year or two.

      Nah - too easy....

      Nice Fosco!

      OR give that extra 20 mil they have laying around to Rodgers to keep him happy while Brett starts.

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      • #33
        I could root for Brett if he was on the Jets.


        According to "this source," the offer was extended in March... shortly after Brett retired. If it's true and it's accepted, I'd be thrilled.



        GREEN BAY -- The Green Bay Packers' much-publicized 10-year, $20 million offer to Brett Favre was part of an ongoing negotiation on a long-term marketing and licensing agreement between the club and its quarterback -- and not a last-ditch attempt to pay Favre to stay away from training camp, according to a source close to the negotiations...

        ESPN reported later Thursday that Favre acknowledged he was in negotiations with the Packers and was seriously considering the offer. A source close to Favre confirmed to the State Journal the quarterback is contemplating accepting the deal and could do so soon.

        Other Hall of Fame-caliber quarterbacks signed similar agreements with their teams -- including Dan Marino with the Miami Dolphins, Jim Kelly with the Buffalo Bills and John Elway with the Denver Broncos -- after their careers ended, so such a deal with Favre would not be unusual.

        Citing sources close to Favre, WTMJ-TV in Milwaukee reported Wednesday night that during the meeting Murphy presented Favre and Cook with an offer in which the Packers would pay Favre $2 million per year over the next 10 years to stay retired.

        The report intimated the offer was a new development in the ongoing Favre saga, which began when Favre informed coach Mike McCarthy June 20 he was considering a comeback and the club wasn 't as receptive to the idea as Favre had hoped.
        "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Fosco33
          Here's a thought. Let him compete for the starting QB position and see what happens. So you piss off Rodgers - why not trade him for some value and have Favre groom Brohm/Flynn for another year or two.

          Nah - too easy....


          Because Rodgers is too good a QB to trade away. Because at this point Rodgers is more valuable to Green Bay than Favre, since Rodgers is 25 years old and Favre is 39. Because there's a greater chance that Rodgers will win a SB for us before his career is over than that Favre will.

          Besides, Favre didn't "groom" Rodgers, MM did. Favre didn't want anything to do with that one, remember? What makes you think he'll change his tune for Brohm or Flynn?

          Point is, Rodgers IS groomed. He's not completely raw like Brohm or Flynn, and there's no guarantee Favre stays beyond this season to bring them along even if he wanted to. What happens if Favre gets hurt - yes I know it hasn't happened but that doesn't mean it can't, especially after taking an unusual amount of time off - but what if he gets hurt and we don't have Rodgers to back him up anymore. Brohm fails, Flynn is overwhelmed, and we're screwed.

          This isn't about doing whatever makes Favre happy. It's about making the transition from Favre to Rodgers as smooth as possible, because that is what is best for the Packers.
          Chuck Norris doesn't cut his grass, he just stares at it and dares it to grow

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          • #35
            Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers
            I could root for Brett if he was on the Jets.


            According to "this source," the offer was extended in March... shortly after Brett retired. If it's true and it's accepted, I'd be thrilled.



            GREEN BAY -- The Green Bay Packers' much-publicized 10-year, $20 million offer to Brett Favre was part of an ongoing negotiation on a long-term marketing and licensing agreement between the club and its quarterback -- and not a last-ditch attempt to pay Favre to stay away from training camp, according to a source close to the negotiations...

            ESPN reported later Thursday that Favre acknowledged he was in negotiations with the Packers and was seriously considering the offer. A source close to Favre confirmed to the State Journal the quarterback is contemplating accepting the deal and could do so soon.

            Other Hall of Fame-caliber quarterbacks signed similar agreements with their teams -- including Dan Marino with the Miami Dolphins, Jim Kelly with the Buffalo Bills and John Elway with the Denver Broncos -- after their careers ended, so such a deal with Favre would not be unusual.

            Citing sources close to Favre, WTMJ-TV in Milwaukee reported Wednesday night that during the meeting Murphy presented Favre and Cook with an offer in which the Packers would pay Favre $2 million per year over the next 10 years to stay retired.

            The report intimated the offer was a new development in the ongoing Favre saga, which began when Favre informed coach Mike McCarthy June 20 he was considering a comeback and the club wasn 't as receptive to the idea as Favre had hoped.
            Marino, Kelly, Elway --- didn't play for another team (even though Kelly was offered something with the Ravens). They were (are) part of the face of their franchises. Brett will always be extremely special to GB - but him playing on another team tarnishes to a degree.
            The measure of who we are is what we do with what we have.
            Vince Lombardi

            "Not really interested in being a spoiler or an underdog. We're the Green Bay Packers." McCarthy.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Gunakor
              What happens if Favre gets hurt - yes I know it hasn't happened but that doesn't mean it can't, especially after taking an unusual amount of time off - but what if he gets hurt and we don't have Rodgers to back him up anymore. Brohm fails, Flynn is overwhelmed, and we're screwed.
              Might be safer to say switch the above statement (Rodgers gets hurt instead).... how are we any different?

              Regardless of Favre situation -- are we really more comfortable with Rodgers/Brohm/Flynn instead of Favre/Rodgers/Brohm or Rodgers/Favre/Brohm or Favre/Brohm/Flynn (or other) ?
              The measure of who we are is what we do with what we have.
              Vince Lombardi

              "Not really interested in being a spoiler or an underdog. We're the Green Bay Packers." McCarthy.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by imscott72
                Wow..So it's true we can throw around 20 million to Favre for not even playing but we can't pay Ryan Grant more than a couple million to be our starting RB? Unreal..

                It must be a whole lot more important to keep Favre out
                than it is to keep Ryan Grant in. Never thought I'd
                be saying that
                Is it really a halo or
                just a swelled head ?

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Fosco33
                  Originally posted by Gunakor
                  What happens if Favre gets hurt - yes I know it hasn't happened but that doesn't mean it can't, especially after taking an unusual amount of time off - but what if he gets hurt and we don't have Rodgers to back him up anymore. Brohm fails, Flynn is overwhelmed, and we're screwed.
                  Might be safer to say switch the above statement (Rodgers gets hurt instead).... how are we any different?

                  Regardless of Favre situation -- are we really more comfortable with Rodgers/Brohm/Flynn instead of Favre/Rodgers/Brohm or Rodgers/Favre/Brohm or Favre/Brohm/Flynn (or other) ?

                  Given that everything that the coaching staff has planned and the players have practiced so far this offseason has been done with Aaron Rodgers at QB while Favre has been tossing balls to high schoolers for a couple weeks, I'll take my chances with Rodgers. Besides, it's not simply about this season. If we were to trade Rodgers, he wouldn't be here next season when we probably would rather have Rodgers starting instead of Brohm. Furthermore I believe that as long as Rodgers can get over the injury bug he's going to be a star in this league, whether it's as a Packer or for someone else. I saw him in college, I've seen his progression from a green as grass rookie to a guy who coulda pulled it off in Dallas last year with a little defensive help. I'm ready to see him start.

                  You are right, we probably won't win a super bowl this year with Rodgers. Since we haven't won one with Favre in over 10 years, I don't think he'd do it for us either. In fact, I'm pretty sure about that. So I'd rather go with the unproven than the one who's proven to be unsuccessful in January as of late.
                  Chuck Norris doesn't cut his grass, he just stares at it and dares it to grow

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers
                    I could root for Brett if he was on the Jets.


                    According to "this source," the offer was extended in March... shortly after Brett retired. If it's true and it's accepted, I'd be thrilled.



                    GREEN BAY -- The Green Bay Packers' much-publicized 10-year, $20 million offer to Brett Favre was part of an ongoing negotiation on a long-term marketing and licensing agreement between the club and its quarterback -- and not a last-ditch attempt to pay Favre to stay away from training camp, according to a source close to the negotiations...

                    ESPN reported later Thursday that Favre acknowledged he was in negotiations with the Packers and was seriously considering the offer. A source close to Favre confirmed to the State Journal the quarterback is contemplating accepting the deal and could do so soon.

                    Other Hall of Fame-caliber quarterbacks signed similar agreements with their teams -- including Dan Marino with the Miami Dolphins, Jim Kelly with the Buffalo Bills and John Elway with the Denver Broncos -- after their careers ended, so such a deal with Favre would not be unusual.

                    Citing sources close to Favre, WTMJ-TV in Milwaukee reported Wednesday night that during the meeting Murphy presented Favre and Cook with an offer in which the Packers would pay Favre $2 million per year over the next 10 years to stay retired.

                    The report intimated the offer was a new development in the ongoing Favre saga, which began when Favre informed coach Mike McCarthy June 20 he was considering a comeback and the club wasn 't as receptive to the idea as Favre had hoped.
                    I'll be thrilled too to get this over with. While there's more to this than Brett has acknowledged in his text message, Packer Nation will be eager to accept his portrayal of this whole series of events.

                    This ego-driven kamikaze mission has done a lot of damage to Brett - and made it more difficult for the Packers to succeed. Although I'll probably be able to forgive Brett for this ridiculousness in time, I won't soon forget it. What a fucking fiasco this has been.

                    Kudos to Mark Murphy for re-introducing the big picture perspective and the opportunity for Brett to end the damage he's been doing to himself and the team. This is a big feather in his cap.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers
                      They made the offer before, and Favre didn't accept it. Maybe the stipulation was that he stay retired. Maybe this time they said you can take the money and play football. You just have to go to a team that we would be okay with. That way Favre gets this $20M, stays associated with the Packers, and he gets his huge salary also.


                      I am guessing that would be a giant no-no with the NFL. That is supposed to be a non-football job and not subject to the salary cap. No way can it be an incentive to do what the Packers want football wise. No way in the world if you think about it and it's implications.

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                      • #41
                        That doesn't have to be part of "the deal" since the Packers control that already anyway.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by vince
                          That doesn't have to be part of "the deal" since the Packers control that already anyway.

                          Are you kidding? Issuing a non-football contract with a football stipulation?

                          As you say, they have control where they send him or if they cut him so they better not even hint it's contigent. That would be a massive no-no.

                          I don't think they'd make that mistake.

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                          • #43
                            Not sure what you think I'm saying, but there doesn't need to be any football related stipulations in the deal. The Packers control Brett Favre's destiny without including any football related stipulations in this deal.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by vince
                              Not sure what you think I'm saying, but there doesn't need to be any football related stipulations in the deal. The Packers control Brett Favre's destiny without including any football related stipulations in this deal.
                              Oh ok. I misunderstood you. Yea, no need to screw around with illegal payments. I agree, they control the football side and the 20 mil is a non-football contract. They do not in any way relate, and can't relate.

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                              • #45
                                Right they're offering this to Favre with not strings attached to show him how much they appreciate what he's done and how much they want him around in the future. It's a goodwill gesture during a tough time and a smart buisness decision going forward.


                                Brett doesn't have to listen. He can take the offer and then go right back to forcing his way to Minnesota, collecting the 20 mil after he retires. It will still be hard for the Packers during camp. It will still be a circus and people will still be frustrated with the way everything his playing out and still anxious for a resolution. Nothing will change except Favre will have taken an extra 20 mil.


                                That said, I think it's more likely that the good will gesture may have softened Brett up. I don't think he really "wants" to play for the Vikings but he's so pissed that he wants to get back the people who told him no. After this he might have calmed down a little and if he's still dead set on playing maybe he won't be so dead set on sticking it to the current Packer management by creating a circus and a no-win situation like he is now.
                                Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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