Grant wants 40 million...

[MJZiggy]

When you start throwing words like 'stingy' around, we also have to keep in mind that whatever deal the Packers come up with right now is sort of a "gift" recall, because they don't actually HAVE to do anything and Grant could find himself a relatively "poor" man in football terms for another year if the Packers decide he's being unreasonable and call off negotiations. Herman needs to tread carefully here because he's bargaining for a client with no bargaining power except public perception. It's been suggested he prove himself for one more year before the big contract and I'm thinking that maybe they just renegotiate this season, take out a huge injury insurance policy and get on with it. He missed training camp last year, it would be a shame to do it again...

[Guiness]

"A little bit of progress was made on Thursday," agent Alan Herman said Friday night. "For a team with $30 million worth of cap room, and Ryan's ability, I thought we would be much further along."

Jesus Fuck. I take it this guy was an ambulance chaser before he was an agent. The whole, "Hey they have money available, it should belong to me," attitude sits worse with me than the fact that he's spilling every detail of their negotiations to the press. How some of these people get, and keep, jobs is astounding.

Um, ya, that's about my attitude. Just because the Pack has money, they should give it to him?????

Let me give you a real life analogy. And I mean close to home. I'm in court with my soon to be ex-wife. She's seeking exorbiant amounts of spousal support. Her lawyer's reason? "She's $3500/month in the red, and his financial statement shows $3500/month excess, so really, his money should be used to fill her hole"

So...because I've got good financial planning, and she spends everything she gets her hands on, I should give her my savings? Nyet.

[MJZiggy]

Oh, the joke I could make out of that....


I suppose it's a nice angle if you can get away with it...

[DonHutson]

"A little bit of progress was made on Thursday," agent Alan Herman said Friday night. "For a team with $30 million worth of cap room, and Ryan's ability, I thought we would be much further along."

Jesus Fuck. I take it this guy was an ambulance chaser before he was an agent. The whole, "Hey they have money available, it should belong to me," attitude sits worse with me than the fact that he's spilling every detail of their negotiations to the press. How some of these people get, and keep, jobs is astounding.

That was the line that got me too. The fact that the cap room is there has absolutely nothing to do with Grant's value.

Actually, it seemed to me they weren't as far apart as I had assumed. They've agreed on 6 years, the Packers are offering 75% of what Grant wants in incentives, and they differ by 250 yards per season as to where the incentives start.

If I'm the Packers I'm willing to let the incentives start closer to 1,000 yards if Grant gets real about the numbers. If Grant's agent ever gets off the phone with the media and on the phone with the Packers they should get it sorted pretty quick.

[rbaloha1]

RG Requesting Too Much

RG had a very good half season.

However this does not warrant $4 million in guaranteed money. While RG is most likely not Samkan Gado $4 million is still too much to pay.

If the Packers are unable to sign RG a trade is in order. Maybe packaged with BF?

Packers Nation, Brandon Jackson could ultimately be a better running back than RG. Brandon is more explosive with better power. Brandon never goes down after initial contact. With more experience Brandon, improves in seeing the cutback lanes; although he does not possess RG's vision.

Have faith Packers Nation.

[NewsBruin]

I'm going to see what comparable deals are for running backs, as I really have no context for what Grant should get. I remember guys getting $7.5million/per in this offseason, and I believe Michael Turner's contract is pretty high for a never-starter.

I think Grant should be given a pair of roster bonuses (non-guaranteed, as I'd want that cap hit NOW, rather than over the length of his contract) and a signing bonus. He may hate his contract later (RB's are very likely to get precedent-breaking superstar contracts), but if he's paid fair now, that's going to go a long way.

I want to say this part because it's standard posting practice to assume the most extreme viewpoint about other posters who disagree. I've been siding against TT on how he's handled Favre's and Grant's issues, but I want it to be clear I think he's done an excellent job in compiling a talented roster with guys most fans and media have never heard. Then he goes and signs Charles Woodson in what I thought was an overloaded contract for a brittle dude on his downside. This man knows how to identify players. What's more, I've yet to hear of us having to cut a guy because we've thrown in some Steve McNair-esque $50 million roster bonus payment or another dufus backloaded contract.

I like Thompson. I like that he keeps a low profile, and that he's interested in building a winner without being a jock-sniffer for big-money deals. I think his "us vs. them" negotiating mentality needs tweaking and he could start at somewhere higher than the basement.

[imscott72]

The article states:

a source said Grant was seeking a signing bonus of $500,000 and a roster bonus of $4 million this season, in addition to a minimal base salary. In 2009, the source said the proposal included a $3 million roster bonus and a base salary of about $1 million.

Only the signing bonus is guaranteed. Roster bonuses are not necessarily guaranteed. They might be asking the Packers to do this, but since this is likely the Packer's (or someone Packer friendly) leaking this, if guarantees were part of an incentive laden contract, then I think they would have made their way into the article. Its not proof, but the absence is suggestive. I doubt seven million in the first two years is guaranteed.

Exactly. The incentives are one thing, but if the base and the signing bonus numbers are huge, you can't cut the guy 2-3 yrs into the deal without taking a fat ass cap hit. What we really need to know and what the article failed to indicate is how much of that 40 mill is guaranteed. The article did state that he wants a 4 mill bonus in year one and a 3 mill in year two, so we're already at 7 mill guaranteed in the first two years. I think that's way too much for a guy that played half a season. I agree with TT here.

Why would Grant accept only half a million guaranteed? That doesn't make sense..If the roster bonus and the base aren't guaranteed the contract is worthless to him especially if he were to get hurt.

[NewsBruin]

Are we shifting our support to Brandon Jackson because he's NOT RYAN GRANT or because he shows promise as a starter?

I'm not sold on Jackson as our starter, because since his draft profile, he's been projected as a guy with decent speed, but not quickness or elusiveness and suspect durability. Until the last game of season against Detroit (with Grant resting), he never had more than 40 yards in a regular season game. His ypc went up from his starting games, but 2.7 won't cut it very long.

There's been a lot of praise for his muscle gain in the offseason and assumed understanding of the game, but I'm concerned that it will make him less escapeable. Pre-season praise would lead you to believe we have 80 Pro Bowlers (You learn this after a decade of being a Baylor fan). I'm going to have to see it done against first-stringers.

I want to be proven wrong, but I don't think we can get 100-yard games out of Brandon for a full season. I think he'll get bottled up in the first or second levels. He's played in only 8 regular season games (vs. Grant's 12) and only exceeded 40 yards ONCE.

I want to see Brandon Jackson, Wynn, and Grant become a 3-headed attack (along with our fullback pair), but I don't see where the love for Jackson over Grant is warranted, especially if the primary criteria is "Who will give us the best chance to win?"

[MOBB DEEP]

pack havn horrendous off season

no brett = NO WAY we beat cowgirls!!

[MOBB DEEP]

I would think Grant should get about 3 mil this year, 3 mil next year and then the bigger salaries would kick in after that if he performs well.

It's a hell of a lot better than 400,000.

that sounds about right to me

[Guiness]

NB, I don't know if Jackson gives us the best chance to win, but with the way Grant's contract negotiations have dragged on, even as all the rookies have signed and are in camp, it's looking VERY likely that BJ will be the starter come opening night.

[MJZiggy]

pack havn horrendous off season

no brett = NO WAY we beat cowgirls!!

We didn't do so well at beating them with him. (that always drove me nuts as those smarmy bastards need to get beat every now and again)

[NewsBruin]

We didn't do so well at beating them with him. (that always drove me nuts as those smarmy bastards need to get beat every now and again)

Going to college in Texas during the Cowboy Dynasty was what made me rediscover my Packer roots.

[The Shadow]

pack havn horrendous off season

no brett = NO WAY we beat cowgirls!!

We didn't do so well at beating them with him. (that always drove me nuts as those smarmy bastards need to get beat every now and again)

Very true. Deer in the headlights.

[Old School]

Grant is letting his agent make him appear to be the reicarnation of Javon Walker.