What the Packers WILL (not should) do with Favre

[Upnorth]

MVP caliber QB in 1996 isn't even a lock to make the Pro Bowl in 2011. So I don't think that's a very good measuring stick when comparing Favre and Rodgers in year 5. Rodgers year 5, his second year starting, would have given Favre a run for his money in 1996.

1996 Favre: 325/543 (59.9%) 3899 yards, 39 TD's, 13 INT's, 95.8 rating
2009 Rodgers: 350/541 (64.7%) 4434 yards, 30 TD's, 7 INT's, 103.2 rating

And you're right, in 2009 Rodgers wasn't even part of the MVP discussion. Coincidentally, Rodgers' 5th year starting was also Favre's best season as an NFL quarterback at 4200 yds/33 TD's /7 INT's. And Favre didn't win MVP in 2009 either. So I guess I don't place as much stock in Favre's 1996 "MVP caliber" season as I did back in the 90's. I find it a very poor measuring stick when used as a comparison to today's crop of QB's. Rodgers 2009 season was every bit as good as Favre's 1996 season, MVP awards be damned.

I'd take Rodgers too.

If you compare 1996 to 2009 of course you will favor todays qb. However the game has evolved in style and more importantly rules. I would say that Favre was the best (or second best if Young had a full year) QB in 1996. Rodgers was lumped in with Brady, Brees, Rivers, Favre and Manning. Putting blinders on to the rest of Favre's career I think it would be a very tough decision if you had to pick one.
Compare 2010 Rodgers to 1996 Favre and I would lean to the upside on Rodgers more (regular season only). If you picked their first MVP seasons it would be a no brainer to Rodgers as there is no competition for Rodgers, but there was for Favre.

[Gunakor]

If you compare 1996 to 2009 of course you will favor todays qb. However the game has evolved in style and more importantly rules. I would say that Favre was the best (or second best if Young had a full year) QB in 1996. Rodgers was lumped in with Brady, Brees, Rivers, Favre and Manning. Putting blinders on to the rest of Favre's career I think it would be a very tough decision if you had to pick one.
Compare 2010 Rodgers to 1996 Favre and I would lean to the upside on Rodgers more (regular season only). If you picked their first MVP seasons it would be a no brainer to Rodgers as there is no competition for Rodgers, but there was for Favre.

You missed the point. Rodgers doesn't have an MVP so we can't compare MVP's. That's not what it's about. My post addresses Noodle's use of Favre's 1996 MVP award as evidence that his MVP season was superior to Rodgers' 2009 season (which did not even earn MVP consideration). I disagreed, laid out the actual numbers, and opined that I'd rather take Rodgers in year 5 as opposed to Favre in year 5. I absolutely agree with your post, but that's not what my response to Noodle was about.

[Upnorth]

You missed the point. Rodgers doesn't have an MVP so we can't compare MVP's. That's not what it's about. My post addresses Noodle's use of Favre's 1996 MVP award as evidence that his MVP season was superior to Rodgers' 2009 season (which did not even earn MVP consideration). I disagreed, laid out the actual numbers, and opined that I'd rather take Rodgers in year 5 as opposed to Favre in year 5. I absolutely agree with your post, but that's not what my response to Noodle was about.

I am glad we agree, but lets keep fighting in stead. I have a 1/2 hour till my next appointment and since I hired a new assistant 2 months ago, I have much less work to do.
So I guess my point was that comparing 96 qbs to 09 qbs is apples and oranges. If you could normalize it to apples to apples I think it would be a very very hard decision to make (assuming you knew as much about Favre's future as Rodgers). That was the start of my point, then I started rambling until the MVP point.
I am projecting that Arod gets the MVP this year, and will not turn into an average qb for the remainder of the year. This is a season for the ages, and Favre never had one of those. He was an amazing QB, but if you were forced to pick a qb without knowing their future at the half way point only Mannings 2004, Marino's 84 and Brady's 2007 compare.

[Gunakor]

So I guess my point was that comparing 96 qbs to 09 qbs is apples and oranges. If you could normalize it to apples to apples I think it would be a very very hard decision to make (assuming you knew as much about Favre's future as Rodgers).

Put Rodgers and Favre's 5th seasons in a vacuum. There is no competition for them, no refs to call penalties, no Associated Press to give out any awards. No WR's to drop any passes and no DB's to intercept them. Their previous season doesn't factor in, and neither does their following seasons. They are being judged on their 5th year NFL performances based solely on things like accuracy, arm strength, mobility, decision making... things that are not dependent on an NFL rules committee, are not subject to officiating, and are unrelated to the talent level of the competition at the time. Just one QB against another. Who is smarter? Who is more accurate? Who is more mobile?

Who is the better quarterback?

[Pugger]

Favre started for 4 seasons before his first MVP and SB. Rodgers started for only 3 years before his SB MVP - an award that elluded BF - and if he wins the league MVP this year it will be in his 4th year starting too. Rodgers' QB rating, mobility and low INTs make him in my eyes the better QB. Will ARod get multiple rings and MVPs? If he does then there is no comparision, is there?

[Deputy Nutz]

Put Rodgers and Favre's 5th seasons in a vacuum. There is no competition for them, no refs to call penalties, no Associated Press to give out any awards. No WR's to drop any passes and no DB's to intercept them. Their previous season doesn't factor in, and neither does their following seasons. They are being judged on their 5th year NFL performances based solely on things like accuracy, arm strength, mobility, decision making... things that are not dependent on an NFL rules committee, are not subject to officiating, and are unrelated to the talent level of the competition at the time. Just one QB against another. Who is smarter? Who is more accurate? Who is more mobile?

Who is the better quarterback?

Impossible.
How the game is called is a direct impact to stats.

[Deputy Nutz]

Impossible.
How the game is called is a direct impact to stats.

Impossible again because you don't factor injuries, and you don't factor in the players catching the football. If you want to slant your views and your stats to pick Rodgers in year 5 go a head but it doesn't make any sense.

[Deputy Nutz]

Favre started for 4 seasons before his first MVP and SB. Rodgers started for only 3 years before his SB MVP - an award that elluded BF - and if he wins the league MVP this year it will be in his 4th year starting too. Rodgers' QB rating, mobility and low INTs make him in my eyes the better QB. Will ARod get multiple rings and MVPs? If he does then there is no comparision, is there?

See everyone compared Brett to Bart, and now the comparison will burn between Brett and Rodgers. All three actually played in their prime during a different era of the NFL. Be fortunate to have all three. What other franchise can put together a list of starting QBs like the Packers? Starr, Favre, Rodgers. I did some quick history in my head and I can't think of a franchise that boast three QBs as talented and dominant as these three.

[Upnorth]

Put Rodgers and Favre's 5th seasons in a vacuum. There is no competition for them, no refs to call penalties, no Associated Press to give out any awards. No WR's to drop any passes and no DB's to intercept them. Their previous season doesn't factor in, and neither does their following seasons. They are being judged on their 5th year NFL performances based solely on things like accuracy, arm strength, mobility, decision making... things that are not dependent on an NFL rules committee, are not subject to officiating, and are unrelated to the talent level of the competition at the time. Just one QB against another. Who is smarter? Who is more accurate? Who is more mobile?

Who is the better quarterback?

I feel rule changes and game planning have evolved to a new style of QB. Favre's best year was 2009 statistically. Knowing what I know of Favre's chance taking i would pck Rodgers, but without teh value of hindsight I don't know. Alot of people though Vick would be the man this year based of of last year.

[hoosier]

And the ego call is tougher than it looks now. Easy to call Favre on it now, but back then he just seemed cocky like Rodgers. Aaron has an edge about him and I doubt he takes a backseat to Brett on ego.

Maybe not a backseat if you mean just strong ego, but ARod is unquestionably better at self-control. In all respects. Filtering stream of thoughts, moderating his appetites, thinking before hitting send on the cellphone.

[Smidgeon]

See everyone compared Brett to Bart, and now the comparison will burn between Brett and Rodgers. All three actually played in their prime during a different era of the NFL. Be fortunate to have all three. What other franchise can put together a list of starting QBs like the Packers? Starr, Favre, Rodgers. I did some quick history in my head and I can't think of a franchise that boast three QBs as talented and dominant as these three.

I think there was a thread about that a couple months ago...

[Patler]

See everyone compared Brett to Bart, and now the comparison will burn between Brett and Rodgers. All three actually played in their prime during a different era of the NFL. Be fortunate to have all three. What other franchise can put together a list of starting QBs like the Packers? Starr, Favre, Rodgers. I did some quick history in my head and I can't think of a franchise that boast three QBs as talented and dominant as these three.

SF has had a pretty good run of QBS:

Y.A. Tittle for 8 years, followed by
John Brodie for 14 years.
A few years with Plunkett and DeBerg, then
Montana for about 12 years followed by
Young for 8 years, and
Garcia for 5 years.

Three Hall of Fame QBs in Tittle, Montana and Young.
Brodie was always one of the leading passers, was MVP once and played a long time.
Garcia went to three Pro Bowls while a 49er.

[mraynrand]

Bring me the head of Jeff Garcia

[pbmax]

Favre did have the benefit of years between him and Starr. That, plus the fact that it took until the second half of 1994 for him to remove his head from his hindquarters. Comparisons to Bart probably did not start in earnest until MVP and Super Bowl wins.

Rodgers got the comparison's from day one as a starter and like Montana/Young, it makes it tougher on both individuals.

[Deputy Nutz]

SF has had a pretty good run of QBS:

Y.A. Tittle for 8 years, followed by
John Brodie for 14 years.
A few years with Plunkett and DeBerg, then
Montana for about 12 years followed by
Young for 8 years, and
Garcia for 5 years.


Three Hall of Fame QBs in Tittle, Montana and Young.
Brodie was always one of the leading passers, was MVP once and played a long time.
Garcia went to three Pro Bowls while a 49er.

Close but I believe Montana and Young were the only ones to win championships. I am to young to remember Tittle. To be honest I don't know who the fuck Brodie is. Garcia is not in the same league as any of the Packer QBs that I mentioned. 49ers are close though. Young was damn good but was quickly taken over by Favre as best QB in the 90s, Bart Starr has more NFL Championships than anyone and best QB in the 60s, and Rodgers is on a whole new level now.