What the Packers WILL (not should) do with Favre

[hoosier]

It just now dawned on me that the post-2008 re-christenings of Favre are actually part of a sequence that has a nice ring to it: Bart, Brett, Bert.

[mraynrand]

Close but I believe Montana and Young were the only ones to win championships. I am to young to remember Tittle. To be honest I don't know who the fuck Brodie is. Garcia is not in the same league as any of the Packer QBs that I mentioned. 49ers are close though. Young was damn good but was quickly taken over by Favre as best QB in the 90s, Bart Starr has more NFL Championships than anyone and best QB in the 60s, and Rodgers is on a whole new level now.

Y.A. was a tease. He only tittillated the fans with championship dreams

[mraynrand]

It just now dawned on me that the post-2008 re-christenings of Favre are actually part of a sequence that has a nice ring to it: Bart, Brett, Bert.

What about Brent?

[Noodle]

Gunny, you rat bastard, you should know that you cannot, with a straight face, judge a qb in 1996 with a qb in 2011 on a stats-only basis. You know the way the game is called and played has changed radically since then. I noted the MVP because it's a pretty good barometer of how folks viewed Favre (or Rodgers) compared to every other player in the league for that particular season.

To say you would pick a guy who only got a pro bowl nod (not all-pro, mind you, pro bowl, which you can get with a box of wheaties) over the friggin league MVP (and also offensive player of the year) strikes me as a little absurd.

Don't read more into what I'm saying than what I'm saying, which is simply that at the year five point, Favre had accomplished more and was considered a more elite qb in comparison to his peers than was A-Rod at the five-year point.

But at this point, I would agree that A-Rod is having a lights-out season (for which he will be recognized with a league MVP and very likely offensive player of the year).

[mraynrand]

what I'm saying, which is simply that at the year five point, Favre had accomplished more and was considered a more elite qb in comparison to his peers than was A-Rod at the five-year point.

who could argue with this?

[gbgary]

Bring me the head of Jeff Garcia

[Patler]

Close but I believe Montana and Young were the only ones to win championships. I am to young to remember Tittle. To be honest I don't know who the fuck Brodie is. Garcia is not in the same league as any of the Packer QBs that I mentioned. 49ers are close though. Young was damn good but was quickly taken over by Favre as best QB in the 90s, Bart Starr has more NFL Championships than anyone and best QB in the 60s, and Rodgers is on a whole new level now.

Three Hall of Fame QBs are pretty darn good, championships or not. It takes a lot more than just a QB to win a championship.

A few years ago there was an active campaign to get John Brodie considered for the HOF. When he retired, he was #3 all time in passing yards. I remember him as a thorn in the side of the Packers throughout the '60s. He seemed to always play well against GB. He never had the notoriety of Starr and Unitas, but wasn't far behind them in talent. Didn't have quite as much talent around him as they did. Brodie was good enough that after having Brodie behind Tittle for a few years, the 49ers were willing to trade an aging future HOFer (Tittle) and turn the job over to Brodie. It wasn't much different than the Favre/Rodgers situation. Tittle went on to have a few outstanding years with the Giants, then played one year too long and was quite bad his last season.

I think Tittle, Montana and Young match up pretty well against Starr, Favre and Rodgers. Brodie really wasn't far behind either.

I mentioned the others only to show that the 49ers have been fortunate to have very capable QBs for a long time.

[channtheman]

I think I'll go ahead and say that Rodgers is already better than Favre and is now only looking up at Starr as the best all time on the Packers QB list. If Rodgers wins 2-3 more Super Bowls, you can put him ahead of Starr as well.

[mraynrand]

If Rodgers wins 2-3 more Super Bowls, you can put him ahead of Starr as well.

really going out on a limb there, aren't cha

[Noodle]

Patler forgot to mention the best thing about Brodie -- he kept Steve Spurrier on the friggin bench for years.

But yeah, prior to Favre-to-A-Rod, SF set the gold standard for transitioning from one elite qb to another.

[Scott Campbell]

Patler forgot to mention the best thing about Brodie -- he kept Steve Spurrier on the friggin bench for years.

Isn't Chris Chandler his son in law?

[Fosco33]

Jesus... wow.

I love Rodgers - I ate crow very quickly because I questioned his possible durability with 2 season ending injuries in mopup/backup duty for Favre but saw lots of potential in his first year.

But man, was anyone else fucking annoyed that Gruden/Rodgers sounds surprisingly similar to Madden/Favre. It got old on MNF.

I hope ARod wins 5 championships over a long, productive career and is widely regarded as one of the best ever - in GB and overall. But it's very, very early. He's had a great start and won a SB. But injuries, luck, contracts, etc and 51 other guys have a lot to contribute to a team game over a decade.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves.
Let's learn from the past and not anoint another Packer god unless we're prepared to create a possibly huge ego and another painful exit/transition.

[Scott Campbell]

Jesus... wow.

I love Rodgers - I ate crow very quickly because I questioned his possible durability with 2 season ending injuries in mopup/backup duty for Favre but saw lots of potential in his first year.

But man, was anyone else fucking annoyed that Gruden/Rodgers sounds surprisingly similar to Madden/Favre. It got old on MNF.

I hope ARod wins 5 championships over a long, productive career and is widely regarded as one of the best ever - in GB and overall. But it's very, very early. He's had a great start and won a SB. But injuries, luck, contracts, etc and 51 other guys have a lot to contribute to a team game over a decade.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves.
Let's learn from the past and not anoint another Packer god unless we're prepared to create a possibly huge ego and another painful exit/transition.

Gruden is always putting somebody up on that pedestal. Better Rodgers than Finley.

[MJZiggy]

Gruden is always putting somebody up on that pedestal. Better Rodgers than Finley.

better Rodgers than the opposing QB.

[mission]

better Rodgers than the opposing QB.

Yeah, I can't stand Gruden as much as the next guy, but I do actually enjoy it when the Packers are on and he can't stop talking about Rodgers.