McCarthy Speaks Live at 8:15

[BF4MVP]

I, for one, really enjoy Favre's long-winded pressers

[Bretsky]

This is typical of Favre. McCarthy joked when he first met Favre that a 1 minute phone call would turn into 5 hours.

It's also how Favre is at press conferences. He goes on and on and never really says anything.

It's also illustrative of his indecisiveness generally. He can't come up with 2 or 3 points and move forward. He's all over the place and nothing gets decided.. ever.

This should have been a 30 minute talk. Instead, Favre drags it out forever making not only the press wait, but also the team who had hung around on a non practice day for a team meeting after the Favre meeting with McCarthy. And a seperate meeting with the QB's.

Shows a lot of consideration by Favre for McCarthy and the teams time.

Favre is borderline nuts.

Ya, you said that already.

How did I respond to a quote posted a minute after mine

[red]

So much for "having a plan in place should Brett report"! Bullshit! More lies..

My gut feeling about this whole thing is leaning more and more toward Brett really wanted to come back, M3 told him to go get fucked, TT sides with M3 and neither budge, Favre sees no other option but to use the media as leverage, TT/M3 try to call his bluff and end up caving. I'm not buying this "I want to look him in the eye and make sure he's committed 100%" shit. It doesn't take 3 hours to look somebody in the eye. And WTF if up with the Ari Fleischer angle? Is M3 using him as a PR consultant? I wonder if the open competition was even M3's idea.

that's about spot on as to what i feel happened too

if brett gets traded or cut after all the crap that the team said last night about him being welcomed back and the open competition and what not, then i will be furious. us, the fans, would have once again been lied to. and if that's the case i think 2 or maybe 3 guys should immediately lose their jobs over this whole mess

i really don't trust anything that comes out of TT's mouth, and i'm starting to get that way about m3. and murphy has proven to be a giant joke with the one thing he's tried to do so far

[Bretsky]

It's safe to say that none of you have a clue what is being said in the meeting.

[gex]

This is typical of Favre. McCarthy joked when he first met Favre that a 1 minute phone call would turn into 5 hours.

It's also how Favre is at press conferences. He goes on and on and never really says anything.

It's also illustrative of his indecisiveness generally. He can't come up with 2 or 3 points and move forward. He's all over the place and nothing gets decided.. ever.

This should have been a 30 minute talk. Instead, Favre drags it out forever making not only the press wait, but also the team who had hung around on a non practice day for a team meeting after the Favre meeting with McCarthy. And a seperate meeting with the QB's.

Shows a lot of consideration by Favre for McCarthy and the teams time.

Favre is borderline nuts.

Holy crap!!!!
Is Favre also responsible for global warming.
Haters are Unfknbelievable

[Bretsky]

And how do we know this is all Fave's fault ?

Oh forget it, I shouldn't even asked a question like that around here or I'll get flogged

Really, if Favre was at all reasonable the conversation would go like this.

McCarthy: Brett, here's our plan with the QB position, just thought I would let you know in advance as a courtesy.

Brett: Okay coach, you're the one in charge.

And maybe the conversation was not as simple as how you think it should go

[packers11]

Maybe MM and Favre totally agree on everything. Favre is so happy with the news that hes having a welcome back party for himself in the meeting room...

TT is the special guest and Rodgers will be on stage singing.

[motife]

I, for one, really enjoy Favre's long-winded pressers

a masochist?

I like Mark Tauscher's pressers. They last about 60 seconds. Or Chad Clifton's. He doesn't do them.

Henry Ford's motto was "Don't complain. Don't explain."

Favre's is "I can't shut up."

[Brando19]

I'm hearing on other forums that jay glazer is reporting favre to vikes for 2nd round pick and he'll hold a PC from MN tomorrow?

Read these comments about the PC...

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/ic/blogs/insider/index.shtml

[HowardRoark]

Funny snippet from the ESPN blog....

8:31 p.m. -- So why did the chicken cross the road?

8:35 p.m. -- To get to the other side of the Rubicon, obviously.

Maybe if Murphy would have just "burned the boats" there would not be any issues today.

[BallHawk]

I'm hearing on other forums that jay glazer is reporting favre to vikes for 2nd round pick and he'll hold a PC from MN tomorrow?

SOURCE?

[GrnBay007]

I'm hearing on other forums that jay glazer is reporting favre to vikes for 2nd round pick and he'll hold a PC from MN tomorrow?

That would suck for a lot of reasons.....but mostly all the hype they gave the fans last night.

[Carolina_Packer]

Still talking.......not a good sign for those that want to see Favre play for the Packers this year.......IMO

I disagree actually. Still talking means that there is still something to talk about. If Brett and Mike can even out their differences then this could still work out.

Then again, still talking also means that Brett isn't just accepting what his coach is telling him...

arggghhhh....

I agree on it not being bad for the delay, I disagree with the last part about Brett not accepting what MM is saying. It seems to me the team probably had a game plan for Favre's arrival and If/Then scenarios for whatever Favre might say or how he might react. If he was defiant or obstinant right off, then there wouldn't be anything to talk about, and you'd think the team would have already made a contingency plan for pulling the trigger on a trade. If they didn't have a sure trading partner lined-up, I guess they could be opening up the phone lines now and negotiating with anyone who has shown interest. Personally, I hope more talk means they are straightening this B.S. out and getting Brett back in the fold. I know people are sick of this and some will trot out stats about how Favre hasn't done much in years, but the guy can still play and he's our guy and I'm not going to kick him to the curb for being indecisive, because everyone can be (at least I thought so

[Lurker64]

if brett gets traded or cut after all the crap that the team said last night about him being welcomed back and the open competition and what not, then i will be furious. us, the fans, would have once again been lied to. and if that's the case i think 2 or maybe 3 guys should immediately lose their jobs over this whole mess

The Packers never said anything about an open competition in any official capacity as far as I can tell. The extent of what the Packers have said is:

Sixteen years after Brett Favre came to the Packers, he is returning for a seventeenth season. He has had a great career with our organization and although we built this year around the assumption that Brett meant what he said about retiring, Brett is coming back. We will welcome him back and turn this situation to our advantage.

Frankly, Brett's change of mind put us in a very difficult spot. We now will revise many actions and assumptions about our long-term future, all predicated on Brett's decision last March to retire. As a result of his decision, we invested considerably in a new and different future without Brett and we were obviously moving in that direction. That's why this wasn't easy. Having crossed the Rubicon once when Brett decided to retire, it's very difficult to reorient our plans and cross it again in the opposite direction - but we'll put this to our advantage.

Brett will be in camp tomorrow. Although there has been uncertainty regarding Brett's return, Ted Thompson and Coach McCarthy had previously discussed this and have had a plan in place. Coach McCarthy will talk to the team and the quarterbacks about the plan moving forward, and after he has done that we will share it publicly.

No matter what, I look forward to another successful season for the Packers and our fans. This has been a tough situation, but the Packers will make the most of it.

Which essentially boils down to "He's put us in a tough spot, but we're taking him back, stay tuned for details." At this point, they wouldn't be lying to anybody if they cut Brett right now. The whole "open competition" thing was basically invented by folks reading between the lines, anyway if there was going to be such a thing it would be announced by McCarthy in this press conference, it's not up to the organization to decide whether or not there's a QB competition, that's McCarthy's call to make and nobody else's.

[Brando19]

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/ic/blogs/insider/index.shtml

read the comments on the PC topic...i don't believe it though.