Packers, Favre likely to split

[AtownPackFan]

Is anyone wondering what is up with Packer management?

On Sunday, all we heard about was that "they had a plan" in regard to Favre. They had always had a plan if Favre returned. This was something they had been carefully charting and mapping for months, and they had all the bases covered.

Next thing we know, a meeting between Favre and McCarthy goes on for 5 hours...and apparently nothing really came from it.

So...what was the plan?

Has the Press Conference taken place and I missed it? They have not spoken since the meeting so how does anyone know if anything came of it or not?

[Fritz]

IF the Foxsports story is to be believed - and that's a big "if" - then I am encouraged. This is because it sounds like both sides are being honest and not angry. It sounds like they agree to disagree, though to his credit - again, if this is true - Favre is acknowledging the difficult position the team is in and that an "open" competition may not be best.

I see the door to a solution perhaps opening. Perhaps Favre will consider playing for Tampa, and perhaps Green Bay will consider letting Minny in on the bidding.

IF. It's equally possible that Favre and McCarthy talked about barbecue recipes, eating opossum, sports writers they hate, their favorite sexual positions - and the time just got away from them.

By the way, I am uncomfortable that MM drives an Escalade. Somehow I saw him in a four wheel drive pickup.

[cpk1994]

Aaron Rodgers is the starter, Favre the backup. Clear enough?

You weren't so clear about that yesterday.

I was clear about their plan. I was blasting them for not following through on it.

[cpk1994]

Is anyone wondering what is up with Packer management?

On Sunday, all we heard about was that "they had a plan" in regard to Favre. They had always had a plan if Favre returned. This was something they had been carefully charting and mapping for months, and they had all the bases covered.

Next thing we know, a meeting between Favre and McCarthy goes on for 5 hours...and apparently nothing really came from it.

So...what was the plan?

Has the Press Conference taken place and I missed it? They have not spoken since the meeting so how does anyone know if anything came of it or not?

NO, McCarthy cancelled it until today becuase the meeting with Favre ran until 11:20.

[sharpe1027]

Re: Packers, Favre likely to split

My point was this: he says he doesn't want to affect the team, but his actions (or inactions) show that he really doesn't care what the impact is on the team.

Really?

What about the fact that he didn't try to force his way into camp immediately and KINDLY accepted Thompson's request to put it off?

Or what about KINDLY accepting the commissioner bending over backwards for the team in terms of waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting to reinstate Favre after he had turned in his paperwork?

I think Favre has been very respectful of the team in recent weeks, and has gone out of his way to limit distractions.

I understand your point, but I can't agree with the kindly part. I mean the guy tried to publicly embarrass TT by claiming that he was begging him to stay away and was afraid to lose his job. How kind was that? I agree with Patler that Favre's action's contradict his words. Too many times he has come off as trying to twist the knife and/or chosen to use the media rather than work with the Packers.

[AtownPackFan]

Is anyone wondering what is up with Packer management?

On Sunday, all we heard about was that "they had a plan" in regard to Favre. They had always had a plan if Favre returned. This was something they had been carefully charting and mapping for months, and they had all the bases covered.

Next thing we know, a meeting between Favre and McCarthy goes on for 5 hours...and apparently nothing really came from it.

So...what was the plan?

Has the Press Conference taken place and I missed it? They have not spoken since the meeting so how does anyone know if anything came of it or not?

NO, McCarthy cancelled it until today becuase the meeting with Favre ran until 11:20.

That is kind of my point CPK, no information has come from the Packer organization and already the media has decided what the meeting was about, what was discussed, and where the situation stands at this point.

And people blame Favre for this mess. IF the media would simply wait for information then maybe this situation would not be so over blown.

[cpk1994]

Is anyone wondering what is up with Packer management?

On Sunday, all we heard about was that "they had a plan" in regard to Favre. They had always had a plan if Favre returned. This was something they had been carefully charting and mapping for months, and they had all the bases covered.

Next thing we know, a meeting between Favre and McCarthy goes on for 5 hours...and apparently nothing really came from it.

So...what was the plan?

Has the Press Conference taken place and I missed it? They have not spoken since the meeting so how does anyone know if anything came of it or not?

NO, McCarthy cancelled it until today becuase the meeting with Favre ran until 11:20.

That is kind of my point CPK, no information has come from the Packer organization and already the media has decided what the meeting was about, what was discussed, and where the situation stands at this point.

And people blame Favre for this mess. IF the media would simply wait for information then maybe this situation would not be so over blown.

The media doesnt need to get it from the Packerss orgization. The Favre Camp is more than willing, as has been repeatdly shown, to leak the info themselves.

[Fritz]

With the internet and the 24 hr nature of sports talk/news, these people basically have to make up news to fill the time. In reality, there's not enough real sports news to fill the demand, so the media is in the position of speculating to "create" interest.

[BallHawk]

Listen, the meeting running late either means two things.

Things went well

OR

Things went badly

They'll be a press conference within the next few hours. Hold off on your speculation until then and we'll have some answers.

[cpk1994]

With the internet and the 24 hr nature of sports talk/news, these people basically have to make up news to fill the time. In reality, there's not enough real sports news to fill the demand, so the media is in the position of speculating to "create" interest.

BUt in this cse, it is more than plausible, based on past history, for Favre and his cronies to leak information to the press.

[The Leaper]

Re: Packers, Favre likely to split

I understand your point, but I can't agree with the kindly part. I mean the guy tried to publicly embarrass TT by claiming that he was begging him to stay away and was afraid to lose his job. How kind was that? I agree with Patler that Favre's action's contradict his words. Too many times he has come off as trying to twist the knife and/or chosen to use the media rather than work with the Packers.

And I see the same stuff from Green Bay.

Seriously...Mark Murphy was practically kissing Favre's ass on Sunday. The Packers were "welcoming" him back in their statements and public interviews.

However, it was all a lie. Favre is not welcomed back. In that respect, I can understand how Favre views the Packer's side as full of lies.

I have no problem with the Packers "moving on"...but STOP ALREADY with this damn media PC game of trying to make it look like you are "trying" to work this out with Favre when there really is no chance of that happening.

The Packers could've ended all this a month ago by coming out and saying "Rodgers is our starter. Favre has retired and no longer will be viewed as a part of this team going forward." Then trade him to Timbuktu and be DONE with it.

Instead, they've played pussyfoot...which is why I have zero sympathy for the Packers in terms of "distractions". It's as much their fault IMO as it is Favre's.

[sharpe1027]

Re: Packers, Favre likely to split

The Packers could've ended all this a month ago by coming out and saying "Rodgers is our starter. Favre has retired and no longer will be viewed as a part of this team going forward." Then trade him to Timbuktu and be DONE with it.

I just don't think your suggestion was realistic, nor do I think it would have made the situation any better.

They did say that Rodgers is the starter, many, many times. Of course they could have said Favre is never going to play for Green Bay, but that would be a really dumb move if they were serious about getting something of value in a trade. If other teams know you have zero intention of keeping him, you have already lost the negotiation battle.

It may have been that they would have been happy to have Favre as a backup, in which case it would also be stupid to say he's not going to be a Packer.

In the end, they told Favre the same thing they told the media, we respect what you have done for us but Rodgers is our starter. I find it a stretch to call that lies.

[The Leaper]

Re: Packers, Favre likely to split

If other teams know you have zero intention of keeping him, you have already lost the negotiation battle.

Well, you've lost it at this point as well.

Favre already has missed camp time. Other teams have less of a chance to incorporate him into their offense, so their price will drop.

The team wasn't going to get a lot for Favre regardless. He has far more value to Green Bay than he does to anyone else.

[sharpe1027]

Re: Packers, Favre likely to split

If other teams know you have zero intention of keeping him, you have already lost the negotiation battle.

Well, you've lost it at this point as well.

Favre already has missed camp time. Other teams have less of a chance to incorporate him into their offense, so their price will drop.

The team wasn't going to get a lot for Favre regardless. He has far more value to Green Bay than he does to anyone else.

Yep, but they didn't have a crystal ball. They seemed to make efforts to get a deal done earlier. Favre basically killed those efforts be refusing to even talk with interested teams or direct the Packers toward any teams he might be interested in.

[The Leaper]

Re: Packers, Favre likely to split

Yep, but they didn't have a crystal ball. They seemed to make efforts to get a deal done earlier. Favre basically killed those efforts be refusing to even talk with interested teams or direct the Packers toward any teams he might be interested in.

The Packers could trade Favre whenever they want to...he does not have a "no-trade clause" in his contract.

Yeah, they might not get anything in return for him...but they could end the whole distraction that they seem to be so concerned about.