The only way TT and M3 walk away winners...

[MadtownPacker]

...is if they can get ARod to do this:




Jennings can take Rice's place for good measure.

[Scott Campbell]

Some said we'd never recover from the Walker fiasco either.

[MadtownPacker]

Some said we'd never recover from the Walker fiasco either.

Cmon man, a one year wonder is not comparable to a guy who has put in work for almost 2 decades.

[The Leaper]

I don't think so...although that would obviously end the discussion once and for all.

However...is this "winners" in the long term sense or "winners" in the short term sense...or both?

To be winners short term, they need Rodgers to be capable enough to get GB to the playoffs in 2008. If the Packers miss the playoffs, I think TT and MM lose...because the Favre led Packers were 13-3 last year.

Long term, they just need the team to remain a playoff contender. As long as you are getting to the postseason, you have a chance to make some noise.

[BallHawk]

They win if Rodgers leads them to the playoffs.

They lose if they don't make the playoffs.

They lose even worse if Favre makes the playoffs on another team.

Do they lose their jobs over it? No. But it does increase the pressure for next year.

[imscott72]

I don't think so...although that would obviously end the discussion once and for all.

However...is this "winners" in the long term sense or "winners" in the short term sense...or both?

To be winners short term, they need Rodgers to be capable enough to get GB to the playoffs in 2008. If the Packers miss the playoffs, I think TT and MM lose...because the Favre led Packers were 13-3 last year.

Long term, they just need the team to remain a playoff contender. As long as you are getting to the postseason, you have a chance to make some noise.

Agreed. Anything less than a playoff appearance would be a loss for management and a lot of speculation on what could have been.

[Scott Campbell]

Some said we'd never recover from the Walker fiasco either.

Cmon man, a one year wonder is not comparable to a guy who has put in work for almost 2 decades.

Walker should have had a lot more gas left in the tank when he left than Brett does now at almost 39 years old. This Favre melodrama is more about theatrics than long term implications.

[MadtownPacker]

People are saying #4 cant win the big games and none is bigger than the SB. It is the ultimate goal and no NFL career (GM, player or coach) without one can't be considered complete. Just ask Marino and Kelly.

[The Shadow]

I think an organization finally willing to say no to the demands of a self-indulgent athlete earns major 'winner' points.

[MadtownPacker]

They win if Rodgers leads them to the playoffs.

They lose if they don't make the playoffs.

They lose even worse if Favre makes the playoffs on another team.

Do they lose their jobs over it? No. But it does increase the pressure for next year.

Im not talking about winning the SB this year, Im talking about ever. 2, 5 or even 10 years from now.

[boiga]

I agree. They'll need to at least make it to the Superbowl in the next 5 years or their legacy will be toast.

[MadtownPacker]

I think an organization finally willing to say no to the demands of a self-indulgent athlete earns major 'winner' points.

Funny, you always say anything besides championships (like Starr) aint shit. Why you flip-flopping now??


Got a lil Favre in you after all huh?

[Zool]

I think an organization finally willing to say no to the demands of a self-indulgent athlete earns major 'winner' points.

Funny, you always say anything besides championships (like Starr) aint shit. Why you flip-flopping now??


Got a lil Favre in you after all huh?

You must have flown to GB and had some Favre in you lastnight.

[BallHawk]

Im not talking about winning the SB this year, Im talking about ever. 2, 5 or even 10 years from now.

In that case I misinterpreted the poll.

Yes, the only way this works if if we win the Super Bowl. Without a doubt.

[The Shadow]

By the way :
Is their any way Brett Favre ever :
1. Redeems himself after the mess he created?
2. Walks away - mayne not a winner (which would be a mighty stretch) - but at least not a complete jerk?''

Just asking, to keep things fair.