Boiling Point - Yahoo article on McCarthy/Favre

[mraynrand]

I think Favre pretty much sealed his fate with 'Greta.' I thought Favre never looked worse -ever (with the possible exception of tossing Chewie under the bus). It was pretty clear the Packers had decided to move on and were going to do everything they could to prevent Favre from getting what he wanted (and what could hurt the Packers) - a free release. When Favre goes on 'Greta' and bitches about TT not being truthful and complaining about things that care the GM's job and not Favre's, he basically looked like a spiteful child. That's when it was over. The Packers played hardball with Favre, because they wanted to move on, but they were never untruthful as far as I can tell, and were never as nasty as Favre. I don't agree with their football decision (and I hope I'm wrong), but they took the high road and Favre took the low road (he admitted he was being vengeful just today). So I'm much more likely to believe that Favre leaked personal information, than not.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Its a legit case. How can MM say he is upset about their confidential talks being leaked in the media and then this story is leaked. It had to come from MM didn't it? If not him he told someone who told someone. Then he is not keeping stuff confidential as well.

I lost repsect for MM on this one

MM didn't speak to the press...Favre did.

This is a story about how MM feels...not about the talk itself. Big difference.

[VegasPackFan]

The whole episode is OVER now so at this point who cares who talks to whom? The issue is that while there were ONGOING talks and negotiations, Favre kept running off to the media and airing out his gripes. Favre individually was doing this. Not MM, not TT.

Now of course, Favre is going to talk to his camp about these things. I'm also sure that MM and TT would talk to other Packer people about what is going on. But there is a big difference between a Packer person leaking something out on their own accord, and BF and his camp intentionally leaking things out to sway public opinion. On the Packer side of this, a leak was not (I doubt) orchestrated to achieve something. It is just a "loose lips" situation. The Favre camp obviously had this as part of their game plan.

[Fritz]

No way,” one source familiar with the GM’s and coach’s thinking said on Tuesday. “Not with the way he keeps opening his mouth and trashing everybody. We keep biting our tongues and trying to take the high road, and every time he goes into a meeting and they agree to keep it confidential, he goes running to the media and rips them in the press. And now, to give him exactly what he wants and let him go for nothing? Forget about it.”

If this is so, it gives MM points.

[KYPack]

I think Favre pretty much sealed his fate with 'Greta.' I thought Favre never looked worse -ever (with the possible exception of tossing Chewie under the bus). It was pretty clear the Packers had decided to move on and were going to do everything they could to prevent Favre from getting what he wanted (and what could hurt the Packers) - a free release. When Favre goes on 'Greta' and bitches about TT not being truthful and complaining about things that care the GM's job and not Favre's, he basically looked like a spiteful child. That's when it was over. The Packers played hardball with Favre, because they wanted to move on, but they were never untruthful as far as I can tell, and were never as nasty as Favre. I don't agree with their football decision (and I hope I'm wrong), but they took the high road and Favre took the low road (he admitted he was being vengeful just today). So I'm much more likely to believe that Favre leaked personal information, than not.

Great post. Now I don't have to make it.

This whole deal makes me so sick, I can't find the energy to hit the keys and post about it.

[sharpe1027]

The whole episode is OVER now so at this point who cares who talks to whom? The issue is that while there were ONGOING talks and negotiations, Favre kept running off to the media and airing out his gripes. Favre individually was doing this. Not MM, not TT.

Now of course, Favre is going to talk to his camp about these things. I'm also sure that MM and TT would talk to other Packer people about what is going on. But there is a big difference between a Packer person leaking something out on their own accord, and BF and his camp intentionally leaking things out to sway public opinion. On the Packer side of this, a leak was not (I doubt) orchestrated to achieve something. It is just a "loose lips" situation. The Favre camp obviously had this as part of their game plan.

I think Favre was an idiot in how he handled alot of this, but let's be fair in how we judge both sides.

First, Favre going public and saying things himself is not leaking information in the conventional sense. Leaking information is usually done by anonymous sources. To be fair, you can easily argue that he was giving out information on private conversations so it was wrong regardless.

Second, you don't know that this latest quote wasn't done intentionally by the Packers anymore than you know that the previous statements from Favre's camp (i.e., not Favre) were done at Favre's request.

With that being said, IMO, the substance of this article is legit, whereas Favre's side of the story often sounded like a bitter kid lashing out.

[KYPack]

The Packers believe Favre’s wife, Deanna, and agent, Bus Cook, helped inflame the situation by advising him to speak out and by amplifying the negative rhetoric about the way he was treated by the team. At one point during the meeting with McCarthy on Monday night, Favre fielded a phone call from his wife and had a conversation with her as the coach waited, a source said.

At that point, the coach was already fed up – and he became less inclined to sanitize his thoughts about the situation. As McCarthy mentioned in his news conference Tuesday, when he essentially announced that Favre’s time as a Packer had ended, his role as a team spokesman during the month-long saga had worn on him as well.

“I’m a football coach,” he said Wednesday. “I know (talking to the media) is part of my job description, and I don’t mind doing it, but I have no desire to stand out there and answer all the political questions. I’m going to tell the truth, and that’s that. I’m not going to be politically correct. I’m sick of it.”

My respect for MM has increased 1000% over the past few days.

Me, too.

MM is now the maximum leader and had the guts to assume that role.

[Pugger]

I agree that Favre's days were numbered after that interview with Greta. How Brett expected Packers managment to just forget it and welcome him back with open arms is beyond me. And if MM told Brett NOT to speak to reporters then Brett is a duffas - or he was trying to force the Packers hand which is probably closer to the truth.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Me, too.

MM is now the maximum leader and had the guts to assume that role.

I like that, "Maximum Leader." Has a nice ring to it, especially now that the Chinese olympics are in full swing. MM = ML from now on.

[KYPack]

Me, too.

MM is now the maximum leader and had the guts to assume that role.

I like that, "Maximum Leader." Has a nice ring to it, especially now that the Chinese olympics are in full swing. MM = ML from now on.

Mike assumed the mantle.

Coaching is a series of crossroads.

At some point, you got to get up in front a bunch of guys, half of whom disagree with you and are bitching about it, and say, "We are doing this because I fucking said so"! and blow your whistle.

It's tough and it takes guts to do it.

Mike did the hard job and had the balls to do so.