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  • #76
    Originally posted by Lurker64
    Originally posted by JustinHarrell
    Originally posted by Lurker64
    I'd like to change my vote to "Yes, Yes, a Thousand Times Yes!!!!".

    I think Brohm might best be summed up as "Isn't good, never was good, never will be good."
    Premature to say the least.
    Oh, absolutely premature but I've never liked Brohm and he's done absolutely nothing to earn my confidence, or really the confidence of any other Packer fan. It's like he's never played QB before out there.
    Please. He doesn't look any worse than Rodgers did coming out, except Brohm is a more heady player and his problem seems to be being too comfortable and hanging on to the ball too long as opposed to being a scared puppy.

    Brohm will be a fine, slightly better and less cocky Phil Rivers.

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    • #77
      I think its obvious that we need some type of backup for Rodgers.

      In 3 preseason games Brohm is 12/30 with 103 yards and an INT.
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      • #78
        I continued to think we'd be fine at backup QB and that Brohm or Flynn would step up enough to allow us to head into the season status quo. But after last night I'm tend to think we do need a veteran but can't see it happening due to being handcuffed. Flynn has clearly outplayed Brohm and thus based on merit should be the #2 (or in this case #3 if we sign a vet) but with no way in hell Brohm going to the practice squad we'd be stuck holding onto four QB's on the roster which given our injuries and other position competition seems very unlikely. Flynn clearing the other teams to make the PS squad also seems remote given his pretty decent showing so far.

        As others had mentioned, Simms still has some upside, is a gamer and team player and might be available (re Bucs forum - http://www.tboblogs.com/index.php/sp...on-makes-four/) and so I'd be fine if they snagged him but again don't see it happening.

        That being said, I think what you see is what you get and Flynn gets elevated to #2 and we all hold our breath that Rodgers doesn't go down.
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        • #79
          I wonder if we're waiting for roster cuts to see if any overstocks are going to be available for free...
          "Greatness is not an act... but a habit.Greatness is not an act... but a habit." -Greg Jennings

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          • #80
            It's very, very early for Brohm. There is an awful lot to process and MM seems to be putting a lot on his plate. Rookie QB's just need time. It's way to early to make any type of judgement.

            If Rodgers goes down they will probably have to scale the offense back this year, but next year when Brohm and Flynn both have full offseasons with McCarthy and with the offense I think we'll all sit back as our 2nd and 3rd offenses dominate and say "hey, it was a little bumpy for one year, but it paid off". Maybe we'll say "they still suck", but I'll bet over the long haul it's better to go with talented young guys than it is to use crappy vets as patchwork.
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            • #81
              Originally posted by JustinHarrell
              It's very, very early for Brohm. There is an awful lot to process and MM seems to be putting a lot on his plate. Rookie QB's just need time. It's way to early to make any type of judgement.

              If Rodgers goes down they will probably have to scale the offense back this year, but next year when Brohm and Flynn both have full offseasons with McCarthy and with the offense I think we'll all sit back as our 2nd and 3rd offenses dominate and say "hey, it was a little bumpy for one year, but it paid off". Maybe we'll say "they still suck", but I'll bet over the long haul it's better to go with talented young guys than it is to use crappy vets as patchwork.
              Geez what a mistake that would be. It's time, there's one preseason game left. In two weeks the games count. Neither of these guys can move the chains. There's too much at stake. We are not going to put ourselves in a position where we just write the season off.
              Lombardi told Starr to "Run it, and let's get the hell out of here!" - 'Ice Bowl' December 31, 1967

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              • #82
                Since you asked,

                Let's keep one thing in perspective, despite an injury to a starter and shuffling, Rodgers got hit twice before the throw. And one was a hit by Tauscher's guy. Colledge allowed two pressures that I counted while with the ones.

                That's not great but they aren't quite stumblebums.

                I think Rodgers will be fine, I am less comfortable with the two rookies than I was last week. Except for scout team, they didn't get much practice as the Packers went back to a more regular season practice schedule. There is only one more short week and then they will get the majority of the play next week.

                AJ Feely does nothing for me. Simms, maybe, but he has got to be released first. Culpepper wants to start and as someone else noted is not known for being cerebral on the field. The criticism tends to be one read then take off.

                Nall and the other Tamps castoffs are of no interest to me. But no matter what happens, the vet QB doesn't get signed until after final cutdowns.

                Originally posted by The Leaper
                Are the 20 who voted "we good" still confident that we are a playoff team with Aaron Rodgers, 2 wide eyed rookies, and a shaky interior OL?
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                • #83
                  I voted to stay with the rooks, but after last night my vote is not as strong.

                  Still, my problem is I think Flynn will be better than Brohm and I have a feeling that if we pick up another QB we'll lose Flynn.

                  In any case, I'm against signing a Culpepper or a Simms-type. I'd rather limp through the season with our two current guys. As JH says, they will gain non-game experience (ala Rodgers) as season rolls on.
                  One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
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                  • #84
                    NO WAY can Brohm serve as the backup.

                    If the team wants to name Flynn as the #2, well OK.

                    I think the team is cornered, most likely they will add a vet and carry 4 QBs.

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby
                      NO WAY can Brohm serve as the backup.

                      If the team wants to name Flynn as the #2, well OK.

                      I think the team is cornered, most likely they will add a vet and carry 4 QBs.
                      4 QB's??

                      I doubt that.
                      One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
                      John Maxymuk, Packers By The Numbers

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by Maxie the Taxi
                        Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby
                        NO WAY can Brohm serve as the backup.

                        If the team wants to name Flynn as the #2, well OK.

                        I think the team is cornered, most likely they will add a vet and carry 4 QBs.
                        4 QB's??

                        I doubt that.
                        you can't hide Flynn on the practice squad. What is your better solution?

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby
                          Originally posted by Maxie the Taxi
                          Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby
                          NO WAY can Brohm serve as the backup.

                          If the team wants to name Flynn as the #2, well OK.

                          I think the team is cornered, most likely they will add a vet and carry 4 QBs.
                          4 QB's??

                          I doubt that.
                          you can't hide Flynn on the practice squad. What is your better solution?
                          Unless Brohm (or Flynn) causes the coaches to REALLY lose confidence in him (enough to cut him), the best solution is to keep them both and not go with an experienced backup. In other words, bite the bullet.

                          There're too many other positions that need the extra roster spot a 4th QB would occupy, like LB and RB.
                          One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
                          John Maxymuk, Packers By The Numbers

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by Maxie the Taxi
                            There're too many other positions that need the extra roster spot a 4th QB would occupy, like LB and RB.
                            My feelings exactly, especially at RB seeing as Grant hasn't been on the field yet...

                            I dunno. I don't think Flynn would make it to the PS. If Rodgers gets hurt, I wonder how we'd fare bringing in a vet on short notice. Not great, I know, but maybe ok? I know no one here much likes Nall, but I think he'll be at home this season. Is the O similar enough to when he was here that he may be able to step in?
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                            • #89
                              4 QB's?? Hell no, somebody gets moved out one way or another. I havent seen enough to say who's gonna be our #3, but at this point who gives a shit. It's clear neither can be a #2 and we have a #1 that's been injured twice in 2 years.
                              Lombardi told Starr to "Run it, and let's get the hell out of here!" - 'Ice Bowl' December 31, 1967

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                              • #90
                                Another reality here is how late in the season it is. Seriously. So let's go through the scenario of what is really worrying Packer fans. If Rodgers gets hurt, with Flynn as #2, the Packers probably struggle mightily to win that game, if the injury is early. If it's a season-ending injury, well, then the season is pretty much over, unless Flynn or Brohm wakes up right away. The veteran QB you want is not available yet, and won't be availabl until after the cut down. The liklihood of that QB being picked up is slim, so the guy would STILL be there should Rodgers be injured for a long stretch. If the guy is available, he can't be that good. If the Packers really need a refuse QB, they're already in enoug trouble that it's really probably not going to help much. They could always try to work out a trade or a cut and sign off waivers deal (which GMs will allow, by the 'honor system' like happened with Rison in '96).

                                Bottom line: Packers can go with Flynn and Brohm, picking up a veteran should Rodgers suffer a significant injury.
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