DT Ryan Pickett at OTA camp today : updated

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Personally, I'll be more interested in seeing what Picket does, than I will in seeing what Woodson does. I just fealt Grady Jackson was such a huge (pardon the pun) part of our defense the last couple years, and I am eagerly waiting to see of Picket will be as good or an upgrade. To me, the whole defense starts with his position.

i'm with you

grady was perfect at what he did, stuff the middle. how do you improve over someone that does his job so well?

pickett does seem to have a much better personality though

[Deputy Nutz]

You know maybe Pickett won't ask for an advance and then 2 months later start bitching that he is not paid enough. Hopefully he won't continue this behavior for over a year saying how he is disappointed in the franchise for not stepping up for its players, but yet come into camp so fat and out of shape that he can't participate in the first month of training camp. Hopefully thats not Ryan Pickett.

[Fritz]

So Grady Jackson was a "fat turd," huh? I'll never forget back when I was about eight years old, at the neighbor's house playing some game, when one of the neighbor kids came flying into the living room, telling us excitedly that we had to see this crazy thing! Naturally we folllowed him as fast as we could. He led us into the bathroom and pointed into the toilet bowl. Lying there was the longest, fattest turd I'd ever seen - and have ever seen. We stood around admiring it for several moments before his mom finally made us flush it away.

This is vaguely similar to the way I feel about Grady Jackson.

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I'm confused with this. Some of the guys that seem to really know football and OL/DL stuff seem to football (ND, Nuts) think Grady was overrated. Everyone else seems to love what he did.

I think it'll be really interesting to see what side is right.

[Rastak]

I'm confused with this. Some of the guys that seem to really know football and OL/DL stuff seem to football (ND, Nuts) think Grady was overrated. Everyone else seems to love what he did.

I think it'll be really interesting to see what side is right.

The year before last I thought he really dominated at times. He REALLY shored up the interior line. With injuries and age he seems to have slowed down a bit. I know Packer fans in general were really amped about this guy for two years, now he's completely ridiculed. Tough crowd.

[Chester Marcol]

Grady Jackson was a fat turd who was breaking down at the end of the year. If he still had it he would have been signed the first week of free agency. In fact he would have just been signed, which hasn't happened yet. Screw fat Grady, he has no game. He was trying to screw this franchise and he bad mouthed this franchise when he had no right, he way over valued himelf and he listend to people that fed him bullshit about how much he should be making and how good he was.

Starting to sound like Point/Counter Point. You should have started with "Murph, you ignorant slut".

Pickett said all the right things. Character is usually confirmed through actions. I hope his actions back up how he sounds.

[HarveyWallbangers]

The year before last I thought he really dominated at times. He REALLY shored up the interior line. With injuries and age he seems to have slowed down a bit. I know Packer fans in general were really amped about this guy for two years, now he's completely ridiculed. Tough crowd.

I hardly think that's fair. Most of us call it the way we see it. His first half season here, he was a real difference maker. He was decent the first half of the next season. Then, he got injured. Last year, he wasn't quite as good as he was a couple of years ago--mainly because he's a 33 year old DT with bad knees who couldn't play that many snaps. I think most experts have Pickett graded higher. I think he'll give what Grady gave, but for more snaps--and he's a lot younger. The risk of injury and the long-term outlook is much better with him. I think it's somewhat comparable to Corey Chavous. He was solid for a couple of years, he's gotten older, and isn't quite as good, so Viking fans feel they can plug somebody else in and they'll be alright. Neither guy is close to irreplaceable. Both guys are serviceable at this point. The fact that Grady has gotten little interest around the league (the only team looking at him just signed Jason Fisk) shows that our perception is pretty close to spot on. He'll likely hook up with a team once they are hit with preseason injuries, but he's pretty much a shell of himself. He's also the type of guy that you can't give more than a one year deal too.

[Noodle]

One minute we love the guy, next it's "let's burn him."

No one can seriously question the value of Grady Jackson to the Packers over the last couple of years. Yes, he was breaking down at the end last year, but he had a lot of company. For good stretches last year, he was a stout, run-stuffing beast. Sure he was a head case, that's why he was available in the first place, but he played well while he could.

So while it is true that Grady is Murph's love muffin, this doesn't mean that Murph has lost the ability to judge football talent. His take on Grady is correct. Nutz has no such ability, just angry voices in his head that he sometimes shares with us.

[Rastak]

The year before last I thought he really dominated at times. He REALLY shored up the interior line. With injuries and age he seems to have slowed down a bit. I know Packer fans in general were really amped about this guy for two years, now he's completely ridiculed. Tough crowd.

I hardly think that's fair. Most of us call it the way we see it. His first half season here, he was a real difference maker. He was decent the first half of the next season. Then, he got injured. Last year, he wasn't quite as good as he was a couple of years ago--mainly because he's a 33 year old DT with bad knees who couldn't play that many snaps. I think most experts have Pickett graded higher. I think he'll give what Grady gave, but for more snaps--and he's a lot younger. The risk of injury and the long-term outlook is much better with him. I think it's somewhat comparable to Corey Chavous. He was solid for a couple of years, he's gotten older, and isn't quite as good, so Viking fans feel they can plug somebody else in and they'll be alright. Neither guy is close to irreplaceable. Both guys are serviceable at this point. The fact that Grady has gotten little interest around the league (the only team looking at him just signed Jason Fisk) shows that our perception is pretty close to spot on. He'll likely hook up with a team once they are hit with preseason injuries, but he's pretty much a shell of himself. He's also the type of guy that you can't give more than a one year deal too.

I think it's fair Harvey. I don't disagree with all your points nor do I think the Packers should have re-signed him. My point is that the guy played quite well and when his play slips and he moves on he's a "turd" instead of a guy who two years ago "most of us loved". I know what I read and Grady Jackson was a fan favorite. Maybe not yours, maybe not everybodys but I read enough on forums and usenet to see that he was well liked and respected. That's all I'm saying.

[Rastak]

The year before last I thought he really dominated at times. He REALLY shored up the interior line. With injuries and age he seems to have slowed down a bit. I know Packer fans in general were really amped about this guy for two years, now he's completely ridiculed. Tough crowd.

I hardly think that's fair. Most of us call it the way we see it. His first half season here, he was a real difference maker. He was decent the first half of the next season. Then, he got injured. Last year, he wasn't quite as good as he was a couple of years ago--mainly because he's a 33 year old DT with bad knees who couldn't play that many snaps. I think most experts have Pickett graded higher. I think he'll give what Grady gave, but for more snaps--and he's a lot younger. The risk of injury and the long-term outlook is much better with him. I think it's somewhat comparable to Corey Chavous. He was solid for a couple of years, he's gotten older, and isn't quite as good, so Viking fans feel they can plug somebody else in and they'll be alright. Neither guy is close to irreplaceable. Both guys are serviceable at this point. The fact that Grady has gotten little interest around the league (the only team looking at him just signed Jason Fisk) shows that our perception is pretty close to spot on. He'll likely hook up with a team once they are hit with preseason injuries, but he's pretty much a shell of himself. He's also the type of guy that you can't give more than a one year deal too.

I think it's fair Harvey. I don't disagree with all your points nor do I think the Packers should have re-signed him. My point is that the guy played quite well and when his play slips and he moves on he's a "turd" instead of a guy who two years ago "most of us loved". I know what I read and Grady Jackson was a fan favorite. Maybe not yours, maybe not everybodys but I read enough on forums and usenet to see that he was well liked and respected. That's all I'm saying.

Edit: Chavous is a good example by the way. He has slowed some, he isn't the player he was but I don't wish him any ill at all. Good luck and thanks for the memories.....

[HarveyWallbangers]

I don't wish Grady ill. I think a majority on here wish him well when he isn't playing the Packers, but he's no Gilbert Brown. He could have been, but he chose a different route.

I don't see an issue with fans liking a player when he was good, but pointing out that he won't be missed much since he lost a step (when he has). This quote makes it seem like the fans have been unfair to him. They haven't. He chose to be unhappy about his contract, and he chose not to be as motivated as a DT in his 30s needs to be.

"I know Packer fans in general were really amped about this guy for two years, now he's completely ridiculed. Tough crowd."

I don't think it's a tough crowd. I think it's calling it like it is.He played well in the 8 games he was with the team in 2004. He missed 6 games in 2005, and he was a shell of himself--because of the injuries--most of the rest of the year. Last year, he was solid, but he wasn't as good as he was in 2004. He played about 20 snaps/game. I have no doubt that a healthy, motivated Grady can help a team. Both are those are iffy though. Unmotivated, 33 year old, DTs with bad knees tend not to hold up.

[jack's smirking revenge]

The year before last I thought he really dominated at times. He REALLY shored up the interior line. With injuries and age he seems to have slowed down a bit. I know Packer fans in general were really amped about this guy for two years, now he's completely ridiculed. Tough crowd.

I hardly think that's fair. Most of us call it the way we see it. His first half season here, he was a real difference maker. He was decent the first half of the next season. Then, he got injured. Last year, he wasn't quite as good as he was a couple of years ago--mainly because he's a 33 year old DT with bad knees who couldn't play that many snaps. I think most experts have Pickett graded higher. I think he'll give what Grady gave, but for more snaps--and he's a lot younger. The risk of injury and the long-term outlook is much better with him. I think it's somewhat comparable to Corey Chavous. He was solid for a couple of years, he's gotten older, and isn't quite as good, so Viking fans feel they can plug somebody else in and they'll be alright. Neither guy is close to irreplaceable. Both guys are serviceable at this point. The fact that Grady has gotten little interest around the league (the only team looking at him just signed Jason Fisk) shows that our perception is pretty close to spot on. He'll likely hook up with a team once they are hit with preseason injuries, but he's pretty much a shell of himself. He's also the type of guy that you can't give more than a one year deal too.

I totally agree with your perspective Harv. I was a mild fan of Grady when he came to the Pack. He was very effective during his first year. But, as is typical with aging veterans, we got him at the twilight of his abilities. I doubt he will ever be the same. To me, he was an overpaid player considering he could only play 20-30 snaps a game. I am hopeful that Pickett is the anti-Grady.

tyler

[woodbuck27]

Grady Jackson's best years were in 2000-01 with the Oakland Raiders.

He played 32 games and had 135 tackles (101 of them were unassisted); he also had 12 sacks and 6 PD.

In 2003-05 with the Packers. Grady played in 41 games and had 125 tackles ( 81 of them unassisted ), 6 sacks in 2003 and (8 sacks total) and 8 PD.

When Grady was in the middle of OUR DL we will re-call, that we played effectively. Especially of note was how the DL performed with Grady in and we were backed up in OUR Red Zone.

Grady was mostly guilty of nothing more than wanting more before it was all over. I felt he was an effective DL and wouldn't be disappointed if he came in for OUR TC for one last kick at it, only if he accepted the League minimum for vet's.

That would be a long shot to happen, I expect. Grady Jackson wanted out !

Finally . . . Grady Jackson was Born: 01/21/1973 so what does that make him. . . 33 year's old.

Ryan Pickett is 27 year's old in August.

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I think the fact that Grady used to get a lot of sacks and doesn't anymore may tell the tale. I have never been sure if he was washed up or not, but maybe he has been for a year and it was masked by the development of CC, KP, CW and CJ

[Homer Jay]

Rastak, are you still wishing Hovan the best of luck?