Can a great QB make an average team great

[oregonpackfan]

What you're comparing right now is Favre's instinct after 16 years to Rodgers first season. I'm guessing here that if you go back to 1992-93 you might find a few plays there where Favre wasn't throwing it by instinct. We can't give the kid a break at least until the season starts before we start expecting Hall of Fame performance out of him every game?

To add to MJZiggy's strong post, Packer fans need Patience with Aaron Rodgers. You cannot expect to replace a starting HOF quarterback who has started every game for 16 consecutive seasons and expect a smooth transition.

In addition, if you look back at the past 6 preseasons, even Favre did not perform that well. Why all the panic from just 1 preseason game? Besides, Rodgers was impressive in his game against the Bengals.

Other posters made strong points that winning comes about because of many variables in the game--blocking, tackling, running, avoiding key injuries, etc. The quarterback gets too much credit when a team is winning and takes too much blame when a team is losing.

I have posted several times that Rodgers may not be consistently performing well until the mid-season point.

[Fosco33]

Regardless if management decided to not let Favre come back or if he would've stayed retired, the Packers would've been the same team.

Meaning...

It's not worth your electric synapses or lung power to thing/speak about these sort of comparisons.

Who knows, Brett comes back and ANY of the following could've happened:
1. Madden curse holds up, Favre gets hurt by wk 3 and is on IR - ARod plays
2. Favre plays good or bad, Packers record is good or bad (as it's varied greatly from 4-12 to 8-8 to 13-3 in last 3 years)
3. Favre is a distraction, ARod leaves when he can during FA - team never really comes together and play poorly

And now - NONE of the above CAN happen or are worth pissing/moaning about.

I'll continue to be a fan of Brett and will watch Jet games too.
But the Packers record THIS year has nothing to do with Favre now...

[Partial]

Yeah, a great QB can make an average team great because the defense constantly has to account for what he is doing. That opens up the run game, which results in longer drives, which keeps the defense fresher and the opposition drained.

[Fosco33]

What you're comparing right now is Favre's instinct after 16 years to Rodgers first season. I'm guessing here that if you go back to 1992-93 you might find a few plays there where Favre wasn't throwing it by instinct. We can't give the kid a break at least until the season starts before we start expecting Hall of Fame performance out of him every game?

To add to MJZiggy's strong post, Packer fans need Patience with Aaron Rodgers. You cannot expect to replace a starting HOF quarterback who has started every game for 16 consecutive seasons and expect a smooth transition.

In addition, if you look back at the past 6 preseasons, even Favre did not perform that well. Why all the panic from just 1 preseason game? Besides, Rodgers was impressive in his game against the Bengals.

Other posters made strong points that winning comes about because of many variables in the game--blocking, tackling, running, avoiding key injuries, etc. The quarterback gets too much credit when a team is winning and takes too much blame when a team is losing.

I have posted several times that Rodgers may not be consistently performing well until the mid-season point.

Agree 100%.

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Eli Manning (lol)

[packerbacker1234]

Like it or not we must compare Favre with Rodgers.

We were 13-3 last year and we changed QB.

You make it sound like the Packers chose to change QB's. Not to beat a dead horse, but Brett retired. Brett forced the Packers to make a change, not once, but twice. They were prepared to welcome him back twice but were told each time "no thanks". Nothing else they could do.

Twice? I'de like to hear this, because according to brett the one time the packers claim they had a jet ready to bring him back, Favre said that wasn't even close to how it went down. The only time, apparently, they were ready to welcome him back was when he was reinstated. Remember, after he filed his papers WHY did it get delayed? Because the packers wanted time to find a trade for favre, or to convince him to stay retired.

Thats not welcoming him back, in the least bit. When reinstated, it was MM who was open to welcoming him back into the locker room. not managment. Your perception of Favre beign welcomed back at all boggles my mind. The fact you think they did it twice boggles it even more.

MM welcomed him back. Management tried to pay him off.

[dissident94]

YEs we did choose Rodgers over Favre. Are you telling me Favre could not be the QB of this team right now. If you can say he coud be then we chose Rodgers.

What I am saying is that Favre's play may be the reason for 13-3. Without great QB play this may be a borderline playoff team.

Thats fine for a rebuilding team. Not a team that jsut a year ago contended for the Super Bowl. So for me Rodgers better be good enough to contend for the Super Bowl. Because with Favre we probably would be. Simple.

Most of my non Packer friends since I live in Tucson Az think the Packers are complete fools. You do not switch QBs from an all-pro to an inferior one when you can contend.

Also like I said before. This offseason stuff is not as important for veterans as you guys keep saying. They are already polished players who do not need it. That was the argument for many on here to stay with Rodgers. Its proving to be bull.

[Scott Campbell]

Most of my non Packer friends since I live in Tucson Az think the Packers are complete fools.

I guess that settles it then. You sure could have saved a lot of arguments by letting us in on this earlier.

[dissident94]

I knew someone would rip me for saying that. I thought since I live outside the state I would give some insite to some who only hear frm other Packer fans.
I seriously hope Rodgers proves me wrong. But when I saw Brett play for the Jets and play well. I was pissed. I haven't been really pissed about his all until then. Thinking of the last run we could have made this year. Instead it looks like rebuilding could be the option. If that is the case ask Miami, 49ers, and Denver how that has gone since they have lost their HOF Qbs

When you have a great one hang onto them as long as you can and in any way you can. To think anyone can play great QB play in the NFL is ignorant.

[Scott Campbell]

You do not switch QBs from an all-pro to an inferior one when you can contend.

You also don't let one player hold the franchise hostage with yearly performances of "should I, or shouldn't I". For all of T.O.'s antics, I never remember his Mommy leaking stuff to the press.

[3irty1]

A consistently good QB puts you in every game. Truth is that I'd rather be lucky than good.

[Scott Campbell]

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[Bretsky]

I knew someone would rip me for saying that. I thought since I live outside the state I would give some insite to some who only hear frm other Packer fans.
I seriously hope Rodgers proves me wrong. But when I saw Brett play for the Jets and play well. I was pissed. I haven't been really pissed about his all until then. Thinking of the last run we could have made this year. Instead it looks like rebuilding could be the option. If that is the case ask Miami, 49ers, and Denver how that has gone since they have lost their HOF Qbs

When you have a great one hang onto them as long as you can and in any way you can. To think anyone can play great QB play in the NFL is ignorant.

I won't rip you for this view
Outside of the state is where we get the non bias views
NFL is a now league

[dissident94]

You do not switch QBs from an all-pro to an inferior one when you can contend.

You also don't let one player hold the franchise hostage with yearly performances of "should I, or shouldn't I". For all of T.O.'s antics, I never remember his Mommy leaking stuff to the press.

Really? How about other past greats like Don hutson who is revered. For his past 6 years he waffled about coming back once up to the final week. Or abotu Michael Strahan. Or how about Michael Jordan who signed 1 year contracts for his past 3 years with Chicago. I think we know how that turned out.

Was Favre wrong for jerking the team around sure. But does that mean you compromise a chance at the Super Bowl this year. I think not.

In my opinion when you have someone who can play QB at Farve's level you do whatever it takes to keep him around.

[Scott Campbell]

I knew someone would rip me for saying that. I thought since I live outside the state I would give some insite to some who only hear frm other Packer fans.
I seriously hope Rodgers proves me wrong. But when I saw Brett play for the Jets and play well. I was pissed. I haven't been really pissed about his all until then. Thinking of the last run we could have made this year. Instead it looks like rebuilding could be the option. If that is the case ask Miami, 49ers, and Denver how that has gone since they have lost their HOF Qbs

When you have a great one hang onto them as long as you can and in any way you can. To think anyone can play great QB play in the NFL is ignorant.

I won't rip you for this view
Outside of the state is where we get the non bias views
NFL is a now league

His circle of friends in Tuscon are hardly a representative sampling of everyone outside WI. Lots of us live outside WI.

[Bretsky]

You do not switch QBs from an all-pro to an inferior one when you can contend.

You also don't let one player hold the franchise hostage with yearly performances of "should I, or shouldn't I". For all of T.O.'s antics, I never remember his Mommy leaking stuff to the press.

I've never bought into the "hold the team/franchise" verbiage that this forum has seemed to embrace so well. Seems like a drama queen type of phrase that that many seem to embrace to overstate the annual effect it has actually had on our team.

Reality is our starter has been sitting behind Favre for a few years now. Surely Favre's waffling didn't hurt the franchise before the 13-3 year.

But now since we didn't like Favre's antice (neither did I) we conveniently use that phrase like it's fact. Favre's delay last year or the year before didn't hurt one bit. Nobody liked the drama; but it didn't hold anybody or anything hostage.

The antics this offseason just sucked. Overall I'm pretty surprised on June 20th when Favre made that intial call to MM...........I'm just surprised they weren't on a jet the next day to figure out how to settle this one way or the other. Would seem to have salvaged a lot of hassle and bad feelings