Packers should have drafted Colt Brennan

[rbaloha1]

The guy is small and didn't play top notch competition.

Is 6'2" 220 lbs too small. Is playing against USC, Wisconsin, Alabama, Georgia, Purdue, Arizona State, Oregon State, Washington, Fresno State and Boise State not top notch competition. Have you actually watched CB or repeating what illegitimate criticisms? Not trying to flame you at all.

Also, historically the run and shoot QB's (Andre Ware, David Klingler, etc.) haven't done favorable in the NFL?

Those guys did not play for an NFL coach. Coach Jones has refined his version of the run and shoot for the NFL. Ever watched the Patriots and Colts? They use the run and shoot without calling it such. In fact the Colts continually used to ask for Hawaii tape -- presto many of the routes are very similar to JJ's offense.


What makes you certain this guy will be anything special other than his padded stats against watered down competition?

Except for Georgia Hawaii moved the ball against EVERYONE.

I'm not saying he can't be successful but odds are better he'll wash out like many QB's in this league than he'll end up being a late round gem.


Tom Brady, Kurt Warner, Marc Bulger, Matt Hasselbeck, Jim Zorn, Joe Montana, etc.

Then again Brohm could wash out just as well but I have a much better feeling about him than I do about Brennan.

Based on tape it CB is way ahead of Brohm.

[rbaloha1]

I'm not claiming to be some QB expert, but Brennan's release is unorthodox. He does have a knack for finding open guys though. Maybe he's like Bernie Kosar. Not the best looking QB, but effective.

Zorn changed his delivery to a three quarters. Sidearm is only reserved where the window exists which Coach Jones stated as an advantage like Flutie.

[Freak Out]

Colt has a chance to be a pretty good NFL QB if he is coached by the right guy and listens to them.

[rbaloha1]

Colt has a chance to be a pretty good NFL QB if he is coached by the right guy and listens to them.

Noted. Coach Zorn is already publicly scolding CB about risk taking and mechanics. The buzz for CB is already overwhelming -- jersey is sold out and after practice autographs are insane. CB is already more popular than Jason Taylor. When has a sixth round pick garnered so much attention this early?

CB possess the intangibles John Madden focused upon. Unfortunately our backup qbs may not have these intangibles.

[Lurker64]

Re: DT's

Would it matter? TT doesn't sign anyone anyways.. we'll have to wait til next years draft to fill that void

Now, one of the things that bugs me the most about Ted Thompson's critics, is that they oftentimes completely ignore Thompson's past behavior when making their criticisms. While Thompson does not generally participate much in the big flashy free agent period (Woodson, Pickett, and Chillar notwithstanding) it's entirely false to claim that he is not active in waiver wire acquisitions and signing post-preseason cuts.

For example:

Atari Bigby was a waiver wire cut that Thompson picked up, and placed on the practice squad before eventually promoting to the roster.
Ryan Grant was traded for at or around the training camp cut deadline.
John Kuhn (who got a significant amount of playing time last year) was a Waiver Wire acquisition.
Donald Lee was signed as a free Agent in September '05, right before the season, after the Dolphins cut him.
Tramon Williams was signed to the practice squad by Thompson as a Free Agent in November of 06 after being cut by the Texans after their final preseason game.

Not even counting the various pickups of castoffs Thompson has done, and subsequently casted off himself, he has picked up quite a few guys who have made major contributions or are expected to from other people's training camp cuts.

Be critical of Thompson's inactivity in free agency, but be aware that it's simply the "high profile" guys that Thompson doesn't sign, and he does sign the "low profile" guys with some frequency and success.

[Spaulding]

The guy is small and didn't play top notch competition.

Is 6'2" 220 lbs too small. Is playing against USC, Wisconsin, Alabama, Georgia, Purdue, Arizona State, Oregon State, Washington, Fresno State and Boise State not top notch competition. Have you actually watched CB or repeating what illegitimate criticisms? Not trying to flame you at all.

And how many of those games did he lead the Rainbows to victory - he looked mostly ordinary against better competition. In 2007 the only teams I recall them playing were Georgia (ugly) and a mediocre Washington team. Don't recall much prior other than being a Badger fan he got handed a loss by Bucky.

220lbs since bowl game? 20 lbs on his frame in such a short time frame - you sure this his legit weight or him wearing a backpack loaded with rocks? He's small framed (small wrists, not sure about the size of his hands, not a big 6'2 and so his height might be a stretch as well. Remember high school football and adding 2 inches and 20-30 lbs

Also, historically the run and shoot QB's (Andre Ware, David Klingler, etc.) haven't done favorable in the NFL?

Those guys did not play for an NFL coach. Coach Jones has refined his version of the run and shoot for the NFL. Ever watched the Patriots and Colts? They use the run and shoot without calling it such. In fact the Colts continually used to ask for Hawaii tape -- presto many of the routes are very similar to JJ's offense.

I then must ask, what players has June Jones produced? Also, honestly what similarities can you really come up with the Patriots/Colts and Hawaii? It's about formation and QB options that make up the Run and Shoot.

What makes you certain this guy will be anything special other than his padded stats against watered down competition?

Except for Georgia Hawaii moved the ball against EVERYONE.

Where at 10 of the games in each season were against some questionable competition. I know many BCS teams pad their schedules (Wisconsin is always quite guilty of this) but that makes up the vast majority of who the Rainbows play each season whether they want to or not being that they are in the WAC.

I'm not saying he can't be successful but odds are better he'll wash out like many QB's in this league than he'll end up being a late round gem.


Tom Brady, Kurt Warner, Marc Bulger, Matt Hasselbeck, Jim Zorn, Joe Montana, etc.

Then again Brohm could wash out just as well but I have a much better feeling about him than I do about Brennan.

Based on tape it CB is way ahead of Brohm.

Tape from OTA's and this short preseaon? Isn't that a little small of a data set to come to any real conclusion yet? Plus was he playing against the first string defense? I'm guessing many of the people on the defense at that time don't even make final rosters.

If he's a stud, I'll eat crow and commend you on seeing something most NFL GM's didn't see. Either way we're in a wait as the report card won't come out for a few years on Brennan and Brohm.

[Partial]

We'll look back at this and see. I don't think Colt Brennan is a very good NFL prospect. Saying that June Jones and their gun and gun (play on run and gun) offense is better preparation for the NFL than Bobby Petrino's pro style offense is looney in my opinion.

I think Brohm will be a pretty good player. Give him a season or two.

[AV David]

I hoped the Packers would draft him at some point. I saw him as medium risk - high reward guy. I watched Hawaii v Boise State last year. Hawaii scored touch downs on all but 2 series. He was incredible. He was certainly worth a 5 or 6.

Where was he drafted, 4 or 5?

[rbaloha1]

I hoped the Packers would draft him at some point. I saw him as medium risk - high reward guy. I watched Hawaii v Boise State last year. Hawaii scored touch downs on all but 2 series. He was incredible. He was certainly worth a 5 or 6.

Where was he drafted, 4 or 5?

sixth round. previous year projected a second.

[rbaloha1]

The guy is small and didn't play top notch competition.

Is 6'2" 220 lbs too small. Is playing against USC, Wisconsin, Alabama, Georgia, Purdue, Arizona State, Oregon State, Washington, Fresno State and Boise State not top notch competition. Have you actually watched CB or repeating what illegitimate criticisms? Not trying to flame you at all.

And how many of those games did he lead the Rainbows to victory - he looked mostly ordinary against better competition. In 2007 the only teams I recall them playing were Georgia (ugly) and a mediocre Washington team. Don't recall much prior other than being a Badger fan he got handed a loss by Bucky.


This is a totally different topic but Hawaii lacks the budget and resources of BCS schools. Thus Hawaii's roster may not always be strong. What Coach Jones was able to accomplish was amazing.

Colt performed well in ALL BCS games except Georgia. 2 year record -- 23 - 4.

220lbs since bowl game? 20 lbs on his frame in such a short time frame - you sure this his legit weight or him wearing a backpack loaded with rocks? He's small framed (small wrists, not sure about the size of his hands, not a big 6'2 and so his height might be a stretch as well. Remember high school football and adding 2 inches and 20-30 lbs

Check out the video. If you want to nit pick that is your choice. I only hope you evaluate Colt's play based on play rather than repetitive overly critical harping.

Also, historically the run and shoot QB's (Andre Ware, David Klingler, etc.) haven't done favorable in the NFL?

Those guys did not play for an NFL coach. Coach Jones has refined his version of the run and shoot for the NFL. Ever watched the Patriots and Colts? They use the run and shoot without calling it such. In fact the Colts continually used to ask for Hawaii tape -- presto many of the routes are very similar to JJ's offense.

I then must ask, what players has June Jones produced? Also, honestly what similarities can you really come up with the Patriots/Colts and Hawaii? It's about formation and QB options that make up the Run and Shoot.

Unsure of your run and shoot knowledge. Basically there are no designed routes. Everything is based on the receivers and qb reading coverages exactly the same. Spread offenses lineup the same but are quite different from JJ's run and shoot. In fact what Urban Meyer and Paul Johnson run in JJ's opinion is a spread wishbone. Formation means nothing.

Coach Jones used to talk on his coaches show how the Patriots and Colts also requested Hawaii's coaching tape. In fact Coach Jones mentioned that Coach McCarthy, Coach Reid and Coach Zorn (CB's current coach) requested CB's game tapes.

JJ has coached the following with most if not all having their best season under Coach Jones:

1. Jim Kelly
2. Warren Moon
3. Bobby Hebert
4. Jeff George

Coach Jones compares CB favorably to these guys. No offense but I will trust Coach Jones over Mel Kiper and individuals who repeat Kiper without closely evaluating play.

What makes you certain this guy will be anything special other than his padded stats against watered down competition?

Again please base a CB opinion on play.

Except for Georgia Hawaii moved the ball against EVERYONE.

Where at 10 of the games in each season were against some questionable competition. I know many BCS teams pad their schedules (Wisconsin is always quite guilty of this) but that makes up the vast majority of who the Rainbows play each season whether they want to or not being that they are in the WAC.

I'm not saying he can't be successful but odds are better he'll wash out like many QB's in this league than he'll end up being a late round gem.


Tom Brady, Kurt Warner, Marc Bulger, Matt Hasselbeck, Jim Zorn, Joe Montana, etc.

Then again Brohm could wash out just as well but I have a much better feeling about him than I do about Brennan.

Based on tape it CB is way ahead of Brohm.

Tape from OTA's and this short preseaon? Isn't that a little small of a data set to come to any real conclusion yet? Plus was he playing against the first string defense? I'm guessing many of the people on the defense at that time don't even make final rosters.

Granted. The only reason for the thread is that BB is slotted as the backup. IMO BB's play does not reflect a backup position. CB does.

If he's a stud, I'll eat crow and commend you on seeing something most NFL GM's didn't see. Either way we're in a wait as the report card won't come out for a few years on Brennan and Brohm.

Agreed except CB starts and performs better than Brohm does.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Brennan had a nice first game against the Colts backups and future cutbaits, but he did little last week. This week, his stats were more impressive than he was. The final quarter of the Jets vs. Redskins was the only football action I got to see all weekend. He mostly got sacked and threw a couple of dumpoffs. His 33 yard game winning TD was a short dump over the middle to some fifth string TE. Some fifth string safety went for the interception, missed it, and the fifth string TE rumbled 30 yards for a TD. Brennan didn't do anything that impressed me.

[rbaloha1]

Brennan had a nice first game against the Colts backups and future cutbaits, but he did little last week. This week, his stats were more impressive than he was. The final quarter of the Jets vs. Redskins was the only football action I got to see all weekend. He mostly got sacked and threw a couple of dumpoffs. His 33 yard game winning TD was a short dump over the middle to some fifth string TE. Some fifth string safety went for the interception, missed it, and the fifth string TE rumbled 30 yards for a TD. Brennan didn't do anything that impressed me.

Noted. Has Brohm or Flynn performed any better?

Fifth string -- is this not a bit of an exaggeration? What would happen if CB performed like Brohm or cut like Ainge? The Kiper system qb nonsense surfaces.

If you want to discount CB be my guest.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Noted. Has Brohm or Flynn performed any better?

No. So what?

[HarveyWallbangers]

Fifth string -- is this not a bit of an exaggeration?

5-C.Brennan pass short middle to 85-J.Goode for 33 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

Sorry. Does 4th string sound better?

http://www.redskins.com/team/depthchart.jsp

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Brennan had a nice first game against the Colts backups and future cutbaits, but he did little last week. This week, his stats were more impressive than he was. The final quarter of the Jets vs. Redskins was the only football action I got to see all weekend. He mostly got sacked and threw a couple of dumpoffs. His 33 yard game winning TD was a short dump over the middle to some fifth string TE. Some fifth string safety went for the interception, missed it, and the fifth string TE rumbled 30 yards for a TD. Brennan didn't do anything that impressed me.

Noted. Has Brohm or Flynn performed any better?

Fifth string -- is this not a bit of an exaggeration? What would happen if CB performed like Brohm or cut like Ainge? The Kiper system qb nonsense surfaces.

If you want to discount CB be my guest.

Who cares if Brohm or Flynn has performed better? The issue is strictly CB...and let's not kid ourselves...he isn't out there like Brohm competing against second stringers.

Fifth stringer: Stick to what you pretend to know. Goode was undrafted..and certainly is behind Cooley, Fred Davis, Todd Yoder, and Ecker who was drafted in the 7th.

So, giving you the benefit of the doubt...Goode is a 4th string TE. Brennan wa playing with and against SCRUBS.

And, calling CB a second rounder last year..proof please. Funny, you discount Kiper..who makes those kind of assesments...yet, you rely on them to buttress CB. CB was no more a second rounder than i am. He woulda been exposed like he was at the camps and bowl games.

P.S. Your june jones bs...is just that. Calling Kelly having his best years under june jones...LOL. The USFL. LOL Not to mention that JJ was the WR coach...hmm, funny..i didn't know Kelly was a WR?

Same for George...what, he had 23/34 TDs in ATL. He put up 23 in 10 games with the Vikes. Don't mention those hi int #s in ATL. LOL