Texans may cut Ahman Green

[Packgator]

Unless Lumpkins is getting kept any of the others (Morency, Wynn) can go.

I think Lumpkin has a real chance. He is a hard runner. After two games he has 87 yards for an average of 5.1 per carry.

[mission]

Unless Lumpkins is getting kept any of the others (Morency, Wynn) can go.

I think Lumpkin has a real chance. He is a hard runner. After two games he has 87 yards for an average of 5.1 per carry.

And a fumble. But I'm half rootin for the Georgia boy.

[Tony Oday]

I think Green would do a great job in the front office with the Pack...

[SkinBasket]

It could have happened here, but it could NOT have also. My point was that you don't base decisions on that, and you surely don't point to them after the fact and say "there, SEE"...

He was aging, and he was showing a higher propensity for injury. Why WOULDN'T you base your decision to keep the guy for more money than he's worth on that?

This isn't being brought up after the fact. His durability was the main reason people who didn't care that he left felt that way, despite the angry outbursts against Ted Thompson by other's at the time. This isn't so much about hindsight so much as a certain contingent of people refusing to admit they were wrong... again.

[MadtownPacker]

Unless Lumpkins is getting kept any of the others (Morency, Wynn) can go.

I think Lumpkin has a real chance. He is a hard runner. After two games he has 87 yards for an average of 5.1 per carry.

Watching him at the game he is kinda built in the Ahman mold.

Check out this clip of him. He gets something out of nothing.

[Guiness]

Lumpkin certainly seems to be getting the carries over BJack at this point - 10 vs 3 against SF. I wonder why?

I'd be very surprised if Green ended up back in GB. All they'd want a veteran for would be a 3rd down back if they're afraid the kids can't prevent Rodgers from getting his head ripped off, and 1) he didn't do that while he was here 2) MM's O is not the same as the one Sherman ran while Green was here.

[Pacopete4]

Lumpkin certainly seems to be getting the carries over BJack at this point - 10 vs 3 against SF. I wonder why?

I'd be very surprised if Green ended up back in GB. All they'd want a veteran for would be a 3rd down back if they're afraid the kids can't prevent Rodgers from getting his head ripped off, and 1) he didn't do that while he was here 2) MM's O is not the same as the one Sherman ran while Green was here.

I think the reason could be they are cutting down the carries for Bjack because Grant can't seem to get healthy so they don't wanna get him hurt.. its just a guess, I'm rooting for Lumpkin though.. he's got some talent and I'm sick of the other guys already

Wynn- lazy
Morency- 1 or 2 good burts a game
Herron- runs hard and busts his ass but just isn't that good

[Guiness]

Watching him at the game he is kinda built in the Ahman mold.

Check out this clip of him. He gets something out of nothing.

Nice cheese sombrero btw!

[retailguy]

It could have happened here, but it could NOT have also. My point was that you don't base decisions on that, and you surely don't point to them after the fact and say "there, SEE"...

He was aging, and he was showing a higher propensity for injury. Why WOULDN'T you base your decision to keep the guy for more money than he's worth on that?

This isn't being brought up after the fact. His durability was the main reason people who didn't care that he left felt that way, despite the angry outbursts against Ted Thompson by other's at the time. This isn't so much about hindsight so much as a certain contingent of people refusing to admit they were wrong... again.

I'm unsure if you're lumping me into the "contingent" who refuses to admit wrong or not, but so be it.

If what you're claiming is true, then, there should NOT have been an increased offer to Ahman in the days leading up to the Houston signing, but, all reports indicated that there was. If the decision was based on Ahman's injury risk, then that risk would be constant even after the Houston offer.

So, I conclude from that, that there were other factors involved, significant enough to increase the offer from the one that was on the table. Therefore, injury risk was likely not the determining factor as that had to be constant throughout the deal. In the end, you need to use those factors on which you based the increased offer to evaluate "worth" and not point to his injury and say, "there, SEE".... It is too simplistic.

Incidentally, I've said I'm still pissed about the way Green's situation was handled, and I am, but today, I'm on record, in this thread, for saying that Ahman's time is past and I don't support a resigning, for anything other than a one day retirement contract.

Ahman deserved a "best offer" contract from the Packers, prior to an offer from anyone else and he did not receive that from all accounts I've read. That was wrong, and doesn't speak highly of the organization. That's different in my opinion from failure to admit "right" or "wrong", but hey, think whatever you want.

[Noodle]

Skin -- get bent.

I didn't read anyone crackin' on the decision to let him go, and no one was saying to break the bank with the guy. What I and other folks were saying is if he's cheap, if there's space, why the hell not?

You just wanna have a fight. Which at least is courageous if you're in a bar, but is kind of pathetic on an Internet forum where there's no chance of actual ass whippage.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I didn't read anyone crackin' on the decision to let him go

http://packerrats.com/ratchat/viewtopic.php?t=8427

[SkinBasket]

Skin -- get bent.

I didn't read anyone crackin' on the decision to let him go, and no one was saying to break the bank with the guy. What I and other folks were saying is if he's cheap, if there's space, why the hell not?

You just wanna have a fight. Which at least is courageous if you're in a bar, but is kind of pathetic on an Internet forum where there's no chance of actual ass whippage.

What the fuck are you getting a hard on about? If we were in a bar you would fight me because I thought Batman was at the end of his rope when he left and is little more than a name from the past today? Do you always fight for the honor of your favorite washed up running backs of yesteryear, or just the ones who beat their women?

As far as the "why the hell not?" approach, I think his recent career answers that question adequately, and the same reasons why some of us didn't want to pay him "best offer" money a couple years ago are only more magnified and justified today. Green is old, broken, and his addition to the roster would be a detriment to the overall quality of the team. Get over it.

I would honestly rather have Herron on the team than Green. And I would rather have a cream cheese bagel with legs on the team than Herron, so you do the math.

[Pacopete4]

Skin -- get bent.

I didn't read anyone crackin' on the decision to let him go, and no one was saying to break the bank with the guy. What I and other folks were saying is if he's cheap, if there's space, why the hell not?

You just wanna have a fight. Which at least is courageous if you're in a bar, but is kind of pathetic on an Internet forum where there's no chance of actual ass whippage.

What the fuck are you getting a hard on about? If we were in a bar you would fight me because I thought Batman was at the end of his rope when he left and is little more than a name from the past today? Do you always fight for the honor of your favorite washed up running backs of yesteryear, or just the ones who beat their women?

As far as the "why the hell not?" approach, I think his recent career answers that question adequately, and the same reasons why some of us didn't want to pay him "best offer" money a couple years ago are only more magnified and justified today. Green is old, broken, and his addition to the roster would be a detriment to the overall quality of the team. Get over it.

[b]I would honestly rather have Herron on the team than Green. And I would rather have a cream cheese bagel with legs on the team than Herron, so you do the math.

oooof... I see the humor but I could not get myself to ever say that.. thats a disgrace to Green and just about any other RB this leagues seen haha

[SkinBasket]

In the end, you need to use those factors on which you based the increased offer to evaluate "worth" and not point to his injury and say, "there, SEE".... It is too simplistic....

That's different in my opinion from failure to admit "right" or "wrong", but hey, think whatever you want.

Things always seem to be simple when they're right and very complicated when they're wrong. Just my experience.

I still don't understand why you fault the team management for offering Green what they felt he was worth to open negotiations and then increasing the offer later when Green felt he was worth more and there was interest from other parties. It's called negotiation. Apparently GB's management knew better than Houston's to pay him what he got. I don't understand how that equates to not "speaking highly of the organization."

[SkinBasket]

oooof... I see the humor but I could not get myself to ever say that..

Believe me, it hurt.