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  • #1

    This Is What I Don't Get!

    From Bob McGinn's column, JS Online, August 16:

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    Contrast McGinn's quote with this question/answer from Mike McCarthy August 18 Press Conference:

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    Either McCarthy doesn't know football (or is lying) or the "scout" McGinn quoted has an axe to grind (and McGinn quoted him anyway). My money says McCarthy is honest and knows what he's talking about.

    Of course, another possibility exists: McGinn did an intentional hatchet job on Bush by quoting some anonymous "scout."

    At any rate, it really makes you wonder about another quote McGinn used in the same column:

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    I can't figure out what's really going on here, but my gut tells me that the scout who made this comment could have been with the Lions, but certainly was not with the Vikings or the Bears! I'm kind of chalking up McGinn's throwing in the anonymous "scout" quotes as his own and/or the "scout's" axe-grinding.

    Anybody got a different take? (I wasn't able to watch the game.)
    One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
    John Maxymuk, Packers By The Numbers
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  • #2
    Bush evoked images of Ahmad Carroll. I kid you not. It was that bad.

    However, he's damn good on special teams. Runs his ass off (probably because he knows that's the only shot he's got to make the squad).
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    • #3
      Anyone else ever notice it's only the urinal sentinel that seems to quote scouts from another team or am I wrong?
      Lombardi told Starr to "Run it, and let's get the hell out of here!" - 'Ice Bowl' December 31, 1967

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      • #4
        I have to continue to question the Packers secondary coaching staff. I don't think Schottenshooter is a good coach. If my memory serves...probably doesn't... I recall reading or maybe just some here's opinion that Carroll actually played better with the staff Bates had coaching the secondary.. I realize Carroll isn't on the team but are these young guys really getting the coaching they need to succeed in the NFL??
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        • #5
          Originally posted by BallHawk
          Bush evoked images of Ahmad Carroll. I kid you not. It was that bad.

          However, he's damn good on special teams. Runs his ass off (probably because he knows that's the only shot he's got to make the squad).
          On the other hand, McCarthy said Bush's performance was "fine." What's up with that? Just blowing smoke for the benefit of Bush? That doesn't sound like McCarthy.

          (Problem is I don't understand what he means by "leverage" and that Bush was playing good leverage but just in the wrong position. Is this real football speak or just psycho babble?)
          One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
          John Maxymuk, Packers By The Numbers

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          • #6
            Some guys can't take critique and its possible Bush is one of them so MM is kinda soothing him. He was awful though. McGinn imo speaks the truth as he knows it, he isn't out to hatchet anyone.

            I think MM talked in a circle on the leverage thing saying Bush's technique (leverage) was good, but he made the wrong decision therefore it was compeletly out of position...ie the wrong leverage for the play, thus he got no help and was beat. MM doesn't trash his players, he always says they were "fine"...that is code for bush stunk up the joint.

            I also agree shotts sucks balls, not one guy has "developed" since he has been the secondary coach. Tramon is the closest thing to improving we have and I'm starting to believe its no thanx to the coach. Blackman and Bush and Carrol made/make the same mistakes over and over and don't seem to be getting better, that lands on coaching.
            The only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince Lombardi

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            • #7
              Where does Bush stand on the Depth Chart???

              Williams I know is at the #3 spot...

              Blackmon Lee and Bush fighting for the #4???

              How many do we keep? 5? 6? because if it's 5, bush looks like to be the odd man out...

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              • #8
                All this "leverage" crap and then there's the "communication" thing. Makes me think Shot's system is too complicated. (I've said this before.) Just let them play man-to-man or something simple. Then, if a guy gets smoked there're no excuses.
                One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
                John Maxymuk, Packers By The Numbers

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                • #9
                  McCarthy doesn't want to trash his guy in the press. He'll keep it in the film room and on the practice field where it belongs.

                  The scout can say he "sucks" or whatever he wants. It's an anonymous quote about a guy from another team.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by packers11
                    Where does Bush stand on the Depth Chart???

                    Williams I know is at the #3 spot...

                    Blackmon Lee and Bush fighting for the #4???

                    How many do we keep? 5? 6? because if it's 5, bush looks like to be the odd man out...
                    If we kept Bush, I'd expect him to be #6 at CB. He'd be kept for special teams, but if I ever see him take the field for a defensive snap without 3 people ahead of him going down with injury, then I have to break out the foam brick again. The TV took quite a beating last season when he was in the game.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Gunakor
                      Originally posted by packers11
                      Where does Bush stand on the Depth Chart???

                      Williams I know is at the #3 spot...

                      Blackmon Lee and Bush fighting for the #4???

                      How many do we keep? 5? 6? because if it's 5, bush looks like to be the odd man out...
                      but if I ever see him take the field for a defensive snap without 3 people ahead of him going down with injury, then I have to break out the foam brick again. The TV took quite a beating last season when he was in the game.
                      Lol, ya know most people arent smart enough to just use the foam version. Im impressed

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by DonHutson
                        McCarthy doesn't want to trash his guy in the press. He'll keep it in the film room and on the practice field where it belongs.

                        The scout can say he "sucks" or whatever he wants. It's an anonymous quote about a guy from another team.
                        Exactly. He's got nothing to gain by carving him up in the press.
                        Teamwork is what the Green Bay Packers were all about. They didn't do it for individual glory. They did it because they loved one another.
                        Vince Lombardi

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Badgerinmaine
                          Originally posted by DonHutson
                          McCarthy doesn't want to trash his guy in the press. He'll keep it in the film room and on the practice field where it belongs.

                          The scout can say he "sucks" or whatever he wants. It's an anonymous quote about a guy from another team.
                          Exactly. He's got nothing to gain by carving him up in the press.
                          I hear what you're saying.

                          On the other hand, I read McCarthy's Press Conference transcripts pretty religiously and pretty closely. I don't think he's ever been overly harsh on a player, but he has said some blunt criticisms which makes me think he's a pretty straight shooter.

                          That means he must really believe all that "leverage" business he was spouting and which also means he really believes Bush performed "fine."

                          Maybe I'm over-analyzing... I guess the proof will be in whether or not Bush sticks on the roster.
                          One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
                          John Maxymuk, Packers By The Numbers

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by packers11
                            Where does Bush stand on the Depth Chart???

                            Williams I know is at the #3 spot...

                            Blackmon Lee and Bush fighting for the #4???

                            How many do we keep? 5? 6? because if it's 5, bush looks like to be the odd man out...
                            Bush is listed as #3RCB behind Harris and Williams. I agree they would have to keep 6 CB's for Bush to make it. http://www.packers.com/team/depth_chart/
                            I can't run no more
                            With that lawless crowd
                            While the killers in high places
                            Say their prayers out loud
                            But they've summoned, they've summoned up
                            A thundercloud
                            They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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                            • #15
                              Do you think the criticism should fall squarely on Bush? Wasn't the play where he was expecting some over the top help?

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