Week Three Winners and Losers thread

[Maxie the Taxi]

Did anyone else notice our defense guys reverting back to the rolling block as a substitute for tackling? Pitiful. I thought one thing our guys did good last year, especially early, was tackle. Last night tackling in general sucked.

This week M3 is gonna have to include "wrapping up" along with his usual sermon on fundamentals to the troops about "pad level" and "leverage."

[Harlan Huckleby]

Did anyone else notice our defense guys reverting back to the rolling block as a substitute for tackling? Pitiful.

Tackling in the NFL is pitiful on the whole. I don't know why, but you don't have players who hit and wrap up anymore like in the "good old days."

Could it be because running backs are just so much more powerful runners today?? rarely do you see a defensive back, or even a linebacker, make a form tackle anymore. Only the defensive linemen tackle old-school.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Did anyone else notice our defense guys reverting back to the rolling block as a substitute for tackling? Pitiful.

Tackling in the NFL is pitiful on the whole. I don't know why, but you don't have players who hit and wrap up anymore like in the "good old days."

Could it be because running backs are just so much more powerful runners today?? rarely do you see a defensive back, or even a linebacker, make a form tackle anymore. Only the defensive linemen tackle old-school.

I think it's coaching, and probably coaching from Pop Warner on up.

Yeah, runners are more powerful, but then everyone is, including DB's and LB's. I just don't believe keeping your head up and your eyes open and using your hands and arms is Old School. I think it's just something the coaches can't do a whole lot about, especially in the NFL. They might harp on it, but old habits die hard.

Runners, even powerful ones, still have to keep their balance and stay on their feet. The thing is even guys nowadays who use the rolling block don't keep their eyes open and they whiff.

Watch film of Willie Wood, the guy who virtually invented the rolling block. He's probably one of the best tacklers in history. He'd bring down Jim Brown with the same technique he used on Gale Sayers. Of course, Willie is paying for it now, but I don't know if the two are cause and effect. If so, hot shot millionaire DB's and LB's nowadays aren't willing to pay that price.
The thing is

[Guiness]

Can we put Ryan in the winners?

Three punts for a 60yd average, including one that was downed at the 1. And he seems to have won the holder's job.

[3irty1]

Can we put Ryan in the winners?

Three punts for a 60yd average, including one that was downed at the 1. And he seems to have won the holder's job.

Hell yes we should. Nobody ever remembers his good performances. I became a Jon Ryan fan when he had that big run last year on a broken down play that got us a first down.

[Guiness]

BJack?

Where does BJack fall? Not in the winners or losers?

His line doesn't look good - 8 rushes for 19yds. But when you break it out, he had rushes of 2, 7, 4, 2, 6 and an 18 yd reception. He also had a -2yd rush, and got stuffed twice in a row at the 1. So what's up? He may be ok, but it doesn't seem like he's the bill of goods the Pack was selling us when Grant was unsigned.

[Guiness]

Can we put Ryan in the winners?

Three punts for a 60yd average, including one that was downed at the 1. And he seems to have won the holder's job.

Hell yes we should. Nobody ever remembers his good performances. I became a Jon Ryan fan when he had that big run last year on a broken down play that got us a first down.

That was probably my favorite play last year. I couldn't find a video of it, but this is hilarious

Al Harris: Crazy Canadians

[Partial]

It's looking like my guy Money Morency might be taking a hike. Sad day.

Deshawn Wynn too

That's because Wynn sucks. Money Morency is gonna go on to be a 1500 yard rusher

[bobblehead]

It's looking like my guy Money Morency might be taking a hike. Sad day.

Why would you say that? I think he's locked down the 'third down back' spot. He's also pretty good on special teams.

I don't know about that. Beatle Juice easily could be out of the league in a week or two.

Who's going to beat him out?
Herron? Doubful. Morency edges him on special teams play, and is every bit as reliable on 'third down' plays. He's also more athletic.
Lumpkin? I just can't see the Packers sacrificing their 'third down' play just to keep this guy on the roster. He's been good, against scrubs, but not great. Has he done anything on special teams?
If anything, they'll just keep an extra back. No way they get rid of Morency.

I usually back you JH, but on this one I don't think you are right. morency is that guy who no one talks about because he simply is going out and doing everything right...he sticks, no doubt in my mind. They would have to be REALLY high on lumpking to cut morency.

[bobblehead]

Did anyone else notice our defense guys reverting back to the rolling block as a substitute for tackling? Pitiful.

Tackling in the NFL is pitiful on the whole. I don't know why, but you don't have players who hit and wrap up anymore like in the "good old days."

Could it be because running backs are just so much more powerful runners today?? rarely do you see a defensive back, or even a linebacker, make a form tackle anymore. Only the defensive linemen tackle old-school.

I think its size and strength issues. Proper form tackling is very hard on the shoulders and arms if the RB shifts his direction even a little, its easy to get hurt now days with LB's getting down to 230lbs (for speed) and RBs getting up to 220lbs...not like yesteryear when it was more like 250 vs. 205.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Did anyone else notice our defense guys reverting back to the rolling block as a substitute for tackling? Pitiful.

Tackling in the NFL is pitiful on the whole. I don't know why, but you don't have players who hit and wrap up anymore like in the "good old days."

Could it be because running backs are just so much more powerful runners today?? rarely do you see a defensive back, or even a linebacker, make a form tackle anymore. Only the defensive linemen tackle old-school.

I think its size and strength issues. Proper form tackling is very hard on the shoulders and arms if the RB shifts his direction even a little, its easy to get hurt now days with LB's getting down to 230lbs (for speed) and RBs getting up to 220lbs...not like yesteryear when it was more like 250 vs. 205.

I still don't buy it. Like I said, Willie Wood was an excellent tackler even of big men and Willie was no hulk. Keep in mind I'm not talking about "punishing" the runner with a "big hit." I'm talking about simply getting the runner's knee on the ground. Willie would rarely "level" a guy, he'd mostly knock him off balance by knocking his pins out from under him with a shoulder pad or arm. He'd do it by keeping his head up and his eyes open.

The emphasis today is on the "hit" or the "money shot." A "big hitter" is in big demand today and so every defensive back tries to make a name for himself as a hitman. Look at Desmond Bishop and Pat Lee last night. They level a guy and the crowd goes nuts. Bishop makes a point of dancing around afterwards so we all notice what he just did.

Nitschke was a big hitter, no doubt. But he made plays like Bishop's or Lee's not on purpose but by accident. Nitschke was a great tackler first and a hitter second. Once he got his paws on you, you went down. Not many whiffs in his resume.

[retailguy]

I forgot to set my DVR to record the game.... Sounds like it went pretty well overall. GOOD to see the line and Rodgers back with solid performances.

Could someone tell me what was wrong with the DEFENSE? Someone in this thread said they didn't play well...

Are they rebroadcasting the game on NFL network besides last night?

[Maxie the Taxi]

I forgot to set my DVR to record the game.... Sounds like it went pretty well overall. GOOD to see the line and Rodgers back with solid performances.

Could someone tell me what was wrong with the DEFENSE? Someone in this thread said they didn't play well...

Are they rebroadcasting the game on NFL network besides last night?

PB or KY could tell you from a more technical standpoint. From my point of view the DL got no push and as a result QB had a lot of time making DB's look bad. Some of the DB's did play bad, Pat Lee and Tramon Williams for two. Plus, tackling was awful. Barnett missed a few and so did many others. Third down defense sucked.

From McCarthy's post-game news conference:

(Were you surprised at your inability to get off the field on third downs?)
The big drive was disappointing. The strength of our defense has always been third down. We weren't as sharp tonight as we have been, and we need to tackle better. That's two weeks in a row. The run defense was not as productive as it has been, but getting off the field on third down, that's the strength of our defense. We're better than we showed on that particular drive, and we'll take full advantage of it and learn from it.

Also, Pickett and Hawk didn't play, so run defense suffered. The middle of the D was like a sieve.

[The Gunshooter]

I forgot to set my DVR to record the game.... Sounds like it went pretty well overall. GOOD to see the line and Rodgers back with solid performances.

Could someone tell me what was wrong with the DEFENSE? Someone in this thread said they didn't play well...

Are they rebroadcasting the game on NFL network besides last night?

No Pickett or Hawk so Denver was gashing them up the middle on the ground.

[RashanGary]

The run defense was awfull. The DL is a problem area on this team.