Week Three Winners and Losers thread

[pbmax]

Poor tackling overall, esp. by linebackers, made good gains great for Denver RBs. Even guys who bring the lumber in the secondary were diving to trip runners up and not bringing their man down and, of course, taking themselves out of the play.

Jolly and Cole were maybe average to below average with the ones. Cole actually had a couple of penetrations but he gets completely leveled by a double team. Jenkins, then Kampman had the best games on the line. Jenkins makes a good run defender on the end on first and second down. he is not as good in the middle with run D, but he doesn't play as soft as Cole.

But while the first defense was in, they rotated DTs to Muir and Malone it went from average to ugly.

One thing you should not get caught up in. Hunter was rushing from KGBs spot at the right end. In the first half he went nowhere and took himself out of position upfield. He didn't make hay until the second half when he got to Ramsey and forced the INT, but that was after the Broncos went to the backups.

I forgot to set my DVR to record the game.... Sounds like it went pretty well overall. GOOD to see the line and Rodgers back with solid performances.

Could someone tell me what was wrong with the DEFENSE? Someone in this thread said they didn't play well...

Are they rebroadcasting the game on NFL network besides last night?

[falco]

williams didn't play that poorly

i thought his interference call was iffy
the next play he had good coverage, but marshall made a nice play

i like his physical style of play, i'd prefer he gets interference for being too physical on a play instead of because he has to grab a guy to make up for a blown coverage

[oregonpackfan]

Did anyone else notice our defense guys reverting back to the rolling block as a substitute for tackling? Pitiful.

Tackling in the NFL is pitiful on the whole. I don't know why, but you don't have players who hit and wrap up anymore like in the "good old days."

Could it be because running backs are just so much more powerful runners today?? rarely do you see a defensive back, or even a linebacker, make a form tackle anymore. Only the defensive linemen tackle old-school.

I think its size and strength issues. Proper form tackling is very hard on the shoulders and arms if the RB shifts his direction even a little, its easy to get hurt now days with LB's getting down to 230lbs (for speed) and RBs getting up to 220lbs...not like yesteryear when it was more like 250 vs. 205.

I still don't buy it. Like I said, Willie Wood was an excellent tackler even of big men and Willie was no hulk. Keep in mind I'm not talking about "punishing" the runner with a "big hit." I'm talking about simply getting the runner's knee on the ground. Willie would rarely "level" a guy, he'd mostly knock him off balance by knocking his pins out from under him with a shoulder pad or arm. He'd do it by keeping his head up and his eyes open.

The emphasis today is on the "hit" or the "money shot." A "big hitter" is in big demand today and so every defensive back tries to make a name for himself as a hitman. Look at Desmond Bishop and Pat Lee last night. They level a guy and the crowd goes nuts. Bishop makes a point of dancing around afterwards so we all notice what he just did.

Nitschke was a big hitter, no doubt. But he made plays like Bishop's or Lee's not on purpose but by accident. Nitschke was a great tackler first and a hitter second. Once he got his paws on you, you went down. Not many whiffs in his resume.

After Mike Ditka retired from the NFL as a player, I remember him saying that Willie Wood produced the hardest hits of any tackler in the NFL. He claimed that against the Packers he sometimes dropped easy passes because he was distracted by the thought of a possible hit he might be receiving from Willie Wood.

[gbgary]

Re: Week Three Winners and Losers thread

Brohm - Rex Grossman clone

give him a couple of years before you tag him with that.

[HarveyWallbangers]

We're going to go through this again. Without Rodgers playing much, I wouldn't expect us to be all that competitive. Oh well. Should be good practice for some of the backups.

Titans to play it out: Tennessee Titans coach Jeff Fisher said he will play his starters at least one series into the third quarter Thursday night in Green Bay.

[Joemailman]

MM sounded the other day like he's frustrated with the way Fisher keeps his guys in. I can't blame him. A little hard to evaluate the QB's when they have no time to throw because the Titan starting DL is dominating the Packers reserves.

[HarveyWallbangers]

MM sounded the other day like he's frustrated with the way Fisher keeps his guys in. I can't blame him. A little hard to evaluate the QB's when they have no time to throw because the Titan starting DL is dominating the Packers reserves.

It is tough. If this is the case, I wonder why the Packers keep scheduling the Titans for that 4th preseason game. You'd think the Titans would prefer to play another team that keeps their starters in longer.

[Rastak]

MM sounded the other day like he's frustrated with the way Fisher keeps his guys in. I can't blame him. A little hard to evaluate the QB's when they have no time to throw because the Titan starting DL is dominating the Packers reserves.

Then keep the starters in. That's about the only counter.

[Rastak]

MM sounded the other day like he's frustrated with the way Fisher keeps his guys in. I can't blame him. A little hard to evaluate the QB's when they have no time to throw because the Titan starting DL is dominating the Packers reserves.

It is tough. If this is the case, I wonder why the Packers keep scheduling the Titans for that 4th preseason game. You'd think the Titans would prefer to play another team that keeps their starters in longer.

I think the NFL does the scheduling. The Packers probably don't have a choice.

[Brohm]

Hit people REALLY hard. Starters will start coming out

[HarveyWallbangers]

I think the NFL does the scheduling. The Packers probably don't have a choice.

Are you sure? I always thought preseason games were decided by the teams. Kind of like the non-conference schedule in college. Why else would we get Tennessee vs. Green Bay in back-to-back years?

[Joemailman]

Given the Packers injury situation, I'm sure keeping the starters in longer is the last thing MM wants to do. I think the Packers should tell Fisher to schedule someone else if they want to play their starters that much in the last preseason game.

[HarveyWallbangers]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Football_League_exhibition_season

Since 2002, individual teams have been allowed to negotiate their own deals to play each other during the preseason. The league allows individual teams to provide input into desired matchups and determines the matchups for any games that were not individually negotiated; however, the league sets all game dates and times.

If I remember correctly, Green Bay has been desirable for opposing teams to play because of the guarantee of a sellout. With the way teams structure their season tickets now (forcing season ticket holders to also buy preseason games or packaging regular season games with preseason games), I don't think that's as big of an issue.

[pack4to84]

Given the Packers injury situation, I'm sure keeping the starters in longer is the last thing MM wants to do. I think the Packers should tell Fisher to schedule someone else if they want to play their starters that much in the last preseason game.

This is the reason the Packers want to play the Titans. Too see if our players trying to make the team are NFL ready. By playing starters and not backups to make the team. The score means nothing. So if a player shines vs Titans starters we know we have a gem in the making.

[SnakeLH2006]

Lasahna looked good...like an NFL player...no room for him on the roster, but hope to hide him on the PS. <<Prays.....