Falcons name rookie Matt Ryan as starting QB

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Something tells me Turner may get his yards this year, but he's going to miss running against guys tired from chasing LT and Gates around the field. It'll be interesting to see how the rookie QB and Turner, so highly acclaimed with relatively little experience get along on one of the worst teams in the league. I'm calling fisticuffs on the sideline before week 10.

You think guys get more tired from tackling LT and Gates than other players?

Play a game of pick-up defending Partial. Then play a game of pick-up defending Tomlinson. Tell us how you feel after each.

You are comparing the rest of the league to Partial.

You're redirecting.

Say what?

Your analogy is so farfetched that...well, it astounds me you would even post it.

The hyperbole is necessary to emphasize the point when one refuses to recognize the ordinary. Or is your position that it requires no greater effort to play against more talented players?

No greater effort. I think players expend all the effort they can...or if not, then dogging it.

Most of the great plays by star players are made not because of lack of effort on the other team, but because they are superior. No amount of effort changes that.

Poor execution or bad angles are often the reason for big plays and that has nothing to do with effort.

In fact, a case could be made that great players cause the defense to expend less energy...they must not over run, over pursue..stay in their lanes, etc. Because if they don't..then a big play.

[retailguy]

You think guys get more tired from tackling LT and Gates than other players?

Threadjack...

[Tyrone Bigguns]

You think guys get more tired from tackling LT and Gates than other players?

Threadjack...

Really? Interesting how you choose to say that to me, rather than the person who first started down the road talking about Turner.

Curious.

[SkinBasket]

You think guys get more tired from tackling LT and Gates than other players?

Threadjack...

Really? Interesting how you choose to say that to me, rather than the person who first started down the road talking about Turner.

Curious.

I think it's because retail and I have such a great relationship built on trust and mutual respect.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

You think guys get more tired from tackling LT and Gates than other players?

Threadjack...

Really? Interesting how you choose to say that to me, rather than the person who first started down the road talking about Turner.

Curious.

I think it's because retail and I have such a great relationship built on trust and mutual respect.

I can only hope to reach the level of brotherhood you two have achieved.

Kumbaya.

[SkinBasket]

Or is your position that it requires no greater effort to play against more talented players?

No greater effort.

Have you ever participated in a sport before? In a competitive manner anyway?

[retailguy]

Or is your position that it requires no greater effort to play against more talented players?

No greater effort.

Have you ever participated in a sport before? In a competitive manner anyway?

He once shut down Darren Charles in high school.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Or is your position that it requires no greater effort to play against more talented players?

No greater effort.

Have you ever participated in a sport before? In a competitive manner anyway?

Guessing that Bigguns kicked the soccer ball around back in high school.

[SkinBasket]

Or is your position that it requires no greater effort to play against more talented players?

No greater effort.

Have you ever participated in a sport before? In a competitive manner anyway?

Guessing that Bigguns kicked the soccer ball around back in high school.

Hey! That's not fair. The Basket of Skin played the football de international on one of the top state teams in high school. It took an immense effort to stay with a player who was more talented. Both mental and physical. It was a position the Basket often found himself in, as he relied more on his athleticism (here, he weeps a little at days gone by) than any particular soccer skill he might have had.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Or is your position that it requires no greater effort to play against more talented players?

No greater effort.

Have you ever participated in a sport before? In a competitive manner anyway?

Yes. But, again, to compare myself or anyone else to the best of the best is foolish. And, what separates most isn't the athletic..it is the mental. Perhaps that is why you aren't in the pros.

LT and Gates 40 time isn't dramatically better than anybody else. Neither on is a freak. If speed, etc was the factor..then why isn't moss running free each time. Plenty of faster players than those two.

Every team in the NFL has a back that is capable of putting up numbers. How is that possible if they aren't superior.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Or is your position that it requires no greater effort to play against more talented players?

No greater effort.

Have you ever participated in a sport before? In a competitive manner anyway?

Guessing that Bigguns kicked the soccer ball around back in high school.

Ty didn't kick the soccer ball around...but, nice of you to show your bias.

[Guiness]

No greater effort. I think players expend all the effort they can...or if not, then dogging it.

Most of the great plays by star players are made not because of lack of effort on the other team, but because they are superior. No amount of effort changes that.

Poor execution or bad angles are often the reason for big plays and that has nothing to do with effort.

In fact, a case could be made that great players cause the defense to expend less energy...they must not over run, over pursue..stay in their lanes, etc. Because if they don't..then a big play.

I can't tell if you believe that, or are just being an argumentative ass. With you, either could be true

When you play against better players, it absolutely takes more out of you. Mentally and/or physically. Making a tackle and taking a guy down is less demanding and punishing than getting run over. And if you get juked, you gota turn around and chase the SOB. And both of those things are frustrating, leading to stress.

Which is why a D's facing our line and Green in 2003 looked like they'd been hit by a truck by the time the 4th quarter came around. Think those guys looked like that every week?

[Guiness]

Hey! That's not fair. The Basket of Skin played the football de international on one of the top state teams in high school. It took an immense effort to stay with a player who was more talented. Both mental and physical. It was a position the Basket often found himself in, as he relied more on his athleticism (here, he weeps a little at days gone by) than any particular soccer skill he might have had.

Looking at my post and yours, looks like we were thinking the same thing.

*shudder* I feel dirty all over. Going to go shower now.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

No greater effort. I think players expend all the effort they can...or if not, then dogging it.

Most of the great plays by star players are made not because of lack of effort on the other team, but because they are superior. No amount of effort changes that.

Poor execution or bad angles are often the reason for big plays and that has nothing to do with effort.

In fact, a case could be made that great players cause the defense to expend less energy...they must not over run, over pursue..stay in their lanes, etc. Because if they don't..then a big play.

I can't tell if you believe that, or are just being an argumentative ass. With you, either could be true

When you play against better players, it absolutely takes more out of you. Mentally and/or physically. Making a tackle and taking a guy down is less demanding and punishing than getting run over. And if you get juked, you gota turn around and chase the SOB. And both of those things are frustrating, leading to stress.

Which is why a D's facing our line and Green in 2003 looked like they'd been hit by a truck by the time the 4th quarter came around. Think those guys looked like that every week?

I would agree on a level like high school or even college. Sorry, not at the pros.

But, what you are saying is true about tackling/run over..but, LT isn't that type of back. And, skin didn't say that. Very few backs are running over people. And, again, that is also the effect of the line and the fullback.

GB: Um, that is a team effort. Not an individual. You think those D's woulda looked the same with ahman on a crappy team with a crappy offense? Nope. Many factors go into that. Time of possesion, etc.

[SkinBasket]

Or is your position that it requires no greater effort to play against more talented players?

No greater effort.

Have you ever participated in a sport before? In a competitive manner anyway?

Yes. But, again, to compare myself or anyone else to the best of the best is foolish. And, what separates most isn't the athletic..it is the mental. Perhaps that is why you aren't in the pros.

LT and Gates 40 time isn't dramatically better than anybody else. Neither on is a freak. If speed, etc was the factor..then why isn't moss running free each time. Plenty of faster players than those two.

Every team in the NFL has a back that is capable of putting up numbers. How is that possible if they aren't superior.

So now Gates and Tomlinson are average players based on their 40 time? Good for them they're just average physically, but tough mentally. Partial should be joining them at FB in the next week.