IS GB A LEADING SUPERBOWL CONTENDER EVEN W/O #4?

[PackerBlues]

But it's just as likely that without Favre the SB could have been a reality.

So we could have gone just as far without the play of a guy who earned the only MVP vote other than Tom Brady?

It is fine to agree with the viewpoint that the Packers had to move on. That has some logical merit. It is something else to start spouting ridiculous hogwash. Aaron Rodgers would not have done shit last year for the Packers. When faced with constant pressure Rodgers folds...just like any inexperienced QB. Favre did not fold...he had the experience and savvy to still be successful.

You da man Leaper!

[PackerBlues]

How do you know what Rodgers could or could not have done last year? You can't because nobody got a chance to see it. Well, except in preseason and the biggest regular season game of the year - and in both cases, Rodgers showed us that he COULD in fact "do shit" with the Packers last year.

And to say Favre did not fold in the biggest game of last season is rediculous. Deer-In-Headlights is an appropriate description of Favre in the second half of the NFC Championship game. Truth be told, Favre has lost significantly more big games over the last bunch of seasons than he's won. He isn't the clutch QB that many portray him as being.

Point is, Leaper, that we didn't see Rodgers play last year. We don't know what he could or couldn't have done. It's not rediculous hogwash to assume Rodgers would have been successful last season had he been given the opportunity. There was no way Brady could have led the Pats to a SB win his rookie year, at least not until he did it. There's no way Warner could have taken the Rams to the SB and won, but he did it. There's no way Rothlisberger could win 15 straight games his rookie year until he did it. There's no way Rodgers could have taken the Packers to a SB and won last year, but only because he wasn't given a chance. Had he been given a chance, who knows what he could have done. Certainly not you or I.

Ya wanna know what "Ridiculous Hogwash" is? It's any shit being spouted by any assclown that would blame the loss against the Giants in the playoffs, soley on Brett Favre. "Deer-in-the-Headlights look"? It was 30-fucking below zero you Dousche Bag, but go ahead and interperet Favre's "look" in that game any way that you want, if it supports your own opinion.

Follow that stupidity with your bs about Favre losing more big games than he won. At least Favre has played in big games. For you to sit here and spout shit about how "If only Arod had been given a chance last year", speaks volumes to just how ignorant you are. The fucking guy has ZERO NFL starts. Nobody knows for sure how he will perform this season, not the Coaches, certainly not me, and definitely not an ignorant bastard like you.

[Chevelle2]

How do you know what Rodgers could or could not have done last year? You can't because nobody got a chance to see it. Well, except in preseason and the biggest regular season game of the year - and in both cases, Rodgers showed us that he COULD in fact "do shit" with the Packers last year.

And to say Favre did not fold in the biggest game of last season is rediculous. Deer-In-Headlights is an appropriate description of Favre in the second half of the NFC Championship game. Truth be told, Favre has lost significantly more big games over the last bunch of seasons than he's won. He isn't the clutch QB that many portray him as being.

Point is, Leaper, that we didn't see Rodgers play last year. We don't know what he could or couldn't have done. It's not rediculous hogwash to assume Rodgers would have been successful last season had he been given the opportunity. There was no way Brady could have led the Pats to a SB win his rookie year, at least not until he did it. There's no way Warner could have taken the Rams to the SB and won, but he did it. There's no way Rothlisberger could win 15 straight games his rookie year until he did it. There's no way Rodgers could have taken the Packers to a SB and won last year, but only because he wasn't given a chance. Had he been given a chance, who knows what he could have done. Certainly not you or I.

Ya wanna know what "Ridiculous Hogwash" is? It's any shit being spouted by any assclown that would blame the loss against the Giants in the playoffs, soley on Brett Favre. "Deer-in-the-Headlights look"? It was 30-fucking below zero you Dousche Bag, but go ahead and interperet Favre's "look" in that game any way that you want, if it supports your own opinion.

Follow that stupidity with your bs about Favre losing more big games than he won. At least Favre has played in big games. For you to sit here and spout shit about how "If only Arod had been given a chance last year", speaks volumes to just how ignorant you are. The fucking guy has ZERO NFL starts. Nobody knows for sure how he will perform this season, not the Coaches, certainly not me, and definitely not an ignorant bastard like you.

Since 1998:

3-7
20 turnovers
1 Super Bowl loss
2 NFCCG losses

[LL2]

Those stats speak for themselves. Favre's INT's have killed the Packers in the past decade during the playoffs.

[GBRulz]

Since 1998:

3-7
20 turnovers
1 Super Bowl loss
2 NFCCG losses

I know 5-7 doesn't look quite as bad as 3-7, but if you're going to attempt to prove a point, at least be truthful. You counted the SB loss in your stats, but not the 2 post season wins that season?

[bobblehead]

Nobody knows for sure how he will perform this season, not the Coaches, certainly not me, and definitely not an ignorant bastard like you.

I think that was his point wasn't it?? Did you read his post or see he said something bad about favre and then go off?

[Chevelle2]

Since 1998:

3-7
20 turnovers
1 Super Bowl loss
2 NFCCG losses

I know 5-7 doesn't look quite as bad as 3-7, but if you're going to attempt to prove a point, at least be truthful. You counted the SB loss in your stats, but not the 2 post season wins that season?

NYG: L
SEA: W
MIN: L
PHI: L
SEA: W
ATL: L
STL: L
SF: W
SF: L
DEN: L

Count em.

[GBRulz]

NYG: L
SEA: W
MIN: L
PHI: L
SEA: W
ATL: L
STL: L
SF: W
SF: L
DEN: L

Count em.

Please show me where the 2 W's are from Tampa and SF in the year that we lost the SB? You are only counting the SF win from '01.

Let me even spell this out so you can count em...

97 Tampa: W SF: W Denver: L
98 SF: L
01 SF: W STL: L
02 ATL: L
03 SEA: W PHILLY: L
04 MN: L
07 SEA: W NYG: L

I'm not at all saying that Brett is the perfect PS QB, but it pisses me off when people feel the need to manipulate facts in order to prove a point.

[Chevelle2]

NYG: L
SEA: W
MIN: L
PHI: L
SEA: W
ATL: L
STL: L
SF: W
SF: L
DEN: L

Count em.

Please show me where the 2 W's are from Tampa and SF in the year that we lost the SB? You are only counting the SF win from '01.

Let me even spell this out so you can count em...

97 Tampa: W SF: W Denver: L
98 SF: L
01 SF: W STL: L
02 ATL: L
03 SEA: W PHILLY: L
04 MN: L
07 SEA: W NYG: L

I'm not at all saying that Brett is the perfect PS QB, but it pisses me off when people feel the need to manipulate facts in order to prove a point.

How am I manipulating facts????? Those are the last 10 playoff games dude.

[Rastak]

NYG: L
SEA: W
MIN: L
PHI: L
SEA: W
ATL: L
STL: L
SF: W
SF: L
DEN: L

Count em.

Please show me where the 2 W's are from Tampa and SF in the year that we lost the SB? You are only counting the SF win from '01.

Let me even spell this out so you can count em...

97 Tampa: W SF: W Denver: L
98 SF: L
01 SF: W STL: L
02 ATL: L
03 SEA: W PHILLY: L
04 MN: L
07 SEA: W NYG: L

I'm not at all saying that Brett is the perfect PS QB, but it pisses me off when people feel the need to manipulate facts in order to prove a point.

How am I manipulating facts????? Those are the last 10 playoff games dude.

If you are going to include a year, use all the games that year is her point.

[GBRulz]

Dude?

You said since 1998. How foolish of me to think that you would count the two wins because it goes against your "facts"

[Chevelle2]

Dude?

You said since 1998. How foolish of me to think that you would count the two wins because it goes against your "facts"

Fine 5-7, wow much better.

How about this...

3-7 in the last 10 playoff games.

Take that year out:

3-6 in last 9.

Anyway you look at it, its terrible.

[esoxx]

Since 1998:

2 NFCCG losses

What does NFCCG stand for?

[mraynrand]

not only did Favre go 3-7, but all the losses were entirely his fault. And based on his two regular season appearances and preseason outings, Rodgers will certainly be better.

[Chevelle2]

Since 1998:

2 NFCCG losses

What does NFCCG stand for?

NFC Championship game, and I just realized Im wrong, it was only 1 loss.