Whats Wrong with KGB?

[SMACKTALKIE]

http://www.rotoworld.com

Packers DE Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila may be in danger of missing the Packers regular season opener.

KGB is experiencing soreness in the knee that was surgically repaired back in May. After missing the first three preseason games, he returned to practice only to suffer a setback Sunday.


What was repaired in KGB's knee? What is the problem?

[Badgerinmaine]

Re: Whats Wrong with KGB?

What was repaired in KGB's knee? What is the problem?

NFL.com says it was a torn meniscus that he aggravated gradually while exercising to strengthen an injured ankle:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d808e790f&template=with-video&confirm=true

[SMACKTALKIE]

Hmmm... That's one of the procedures I've had too (I've had alot of knee surgeries) and I can tell you It's a minor procedure. However if it is re-injured it can be extremely painful.

I'm guessing that he is or was dealing with a flap of cartilage moving from it's correct position to between the knee joint. Either that or swelling form a tear on the cut, that was intended to correct the tear.

Ouch.

[KYPack]

9 years of being a rush DE in the NFL ain't helped that knee any, either.

[The Leaper]

Our pass rush without KGB is mediocre at best.

[CaliforniaCheez]

I read that 4 of KGB's 9.5 sacks came against Bryant McKinnie of the Vikings.

If he is not ready to go that means Kampmann will be less effective as one always seems to chase the QB towards the other.

Jenkins often gets rotated inside on passing downs so we should see more of Montgomery and possibly Hunter.

With this new on KGB I think Hunter survives the cuts and not only helps at DE but performs well on special teams.

With this, the 53 man roster has more defensive players due to injuries and that means Coston gets cut. Sitton should be back for week 3. Hunter provides more value than Coston.

When I look at those to be cut I see:

1) Tai Smith WR
2) Johnny Quinn WR
3) Ryan Keenan OG
4) Orrin Thompson OT**
5) Breno Giacomini OT **
6) Brennan Carvalho C
7) Joey Haynos TE**
8) Jake Allen WR
9) Noah Herron RB
10) Greg Lumpkin RB**
11) Corey White FB**
12) Conrad Bolston DT
13) Rodney Allen DT
14) Alfred Malone DT
15) Spencer Havner LB
16) Danny Lansanah LB
17) Joe Porter CB **
18) Scorpio Babers CB
19) Tyrone Culver S
20) Jarret Bush S
21) Brett Swain WR **

Leaving 4 left for the final cut unless there is another IR or trade.

Those 4 are Hunter, Hodge, White, and Coston. Hunter and White add much on special teams, Hodge some, and Coston is more easily replaced.

Kabeer has 2 weeks to wisely rehab the knee and not overdo it. He may not be 100%. If he can take 10 snaps against the Vikings on passing downs it will help a lot.

[pbmax]

The JS article seems to indicate that KGB, unfamiliar with surgery previously, needs to push harder through the rehab and playing to get past the pain. Pickett and Hairston both make this point, kindly, without throwing KGB under the bus.

It would seem the team believes he isn't injured now, but needs him to push himself harder. If McCarthy buys that explanation, he might have to deliver a swift kick to get his end back. I hope it goes OK for him. $7 mil value or not, he's the best threat we have on third down.

That same article says it wasn't the meniscus itself that was operated on, but the meniscus cartilage..

[Harlan Huckleby]

Re: Whats Wrong with KGB?

Packers DE Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila may be in danger of missing the Packers regular season opener.

Correction:

Packers DE Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila may be in danger of missing the Packers regular season.

[mraynrand]

That same article says it wasn't the meniscus itself that was operated on, but the meniscus cartilage..

When they say meniscus or meniscal tear, they are almost always referring to the meniscal cartilage. The thing is like a little gasket or cushion between the major bones of the leg, and as was mentioned above, it can fray and get caught. If it's been operated on, all they really do is clean up the frayed stuff, but then you have less cushion. eventually, you will have bone on bone. Most likely KGB is suffering from swelling, especially since the article hints that he could play through it. It can hurt like a bugger, but you can play on it. Linemen do it all the time. If you read an article about a 'sprained knee' and they don' t mention ACL, PCL, lateral collateral, they are almost always talking meniscus. The real question is the quality/amount of the remaining cartilage in the knee. If the knee is degenerative, KGB could be done. That's why I made my prediction that the surprise cut this preseason would be KGB. He should have been healed a long time ago from a simple tear.

[LL2]

Our pass rush without KGB is mediocre at best.

This is interesting (not pointing you out), but last summer many thought KGB was expendable and wanted to dump his salary.

I always liked KGB, but felt he was overworked as a full time DE. He's a specialist and needs his snaps limited to maintain effectiveness.

[pbmax]

With only one surgery under his belt on that knee, my first guess would be that he isn't to bone on bone yet. We obviously can't know for certain.

However, if the cartilage was still damaged or in need of trimming, you would think they would be scheduling something now, with two weeks to go. If the cartilage has been removed, then I think the conversation would be about microfracture surgery, not rehab.

... The real question is the quality/amount of the remaining cartilage in the knee. If the knee is degenerative, KGB could be done. That's why I made my prediction that the surprise cut this preseason would be KGB. He should have been healed a long time ago from a simple tear.

[mraynrand]

With only one surgery under his belt on that knee, my first guess would be that he isn't to bone on bone yet. We obviously can't know for certain.

However, if the cartilage was still damaged or in need of trimming, you would think they would be scheduling something now, with two weeks to go. If the cartilage has been removed, then I think the conversation would be about microfracture surgery, not rehab.

... The real question is the quality/amount of the remaining cartilage in the knee. If the knee is degenerative, KGB could be done. That's why I made my prediction that the surprise cut this preseason would be KGB. He should have been healed a long time ago from a simple tear.

You don't do microfracture surgery on meniscal tears. That procedure is a last ditch attempt to get bone to heal. The likely reason there has been no further surgery is because there is nothing to operate on - probably there is no cartilage to clean out. And that may be the problem. You don't need to have more than one injury to get a degenerative joint. The lack of healing, and that they aren't talking about another surgery is what worries me - it really sounds like there is nothing left he can do but play with some pain - how much pain that is, and whether he can deal with it will probably determine whether he is on the squad come opening day.

[cpk1994]

Our pass rush without KGB is mediocre at best.

It's not really that much better with him either.

[boiga]

Our pass rush without KGB is mediocre at best.

It's not really that much better with him either.

I don't know what you are talking about. Our pass rush was near the best in the league until KGB went down. We just have to hope he comes back healthy, because KGB at half speed isn't worth much.

[The Gunshooter]

Our pass rush without KGB is mediocre at best.

This is interesting (not pointing you out), but last summer many thought KGB was expendable and wanted to dump his salary.

I always liked KGB, but felt he was overworked as a full time DE. He's a specialist and needs his snaps limited to maintain effectiveness.

I stated repeatedly on JS forum that I wanted to replace KGB, Favre and Bubba and go after a pass rusher, DB, and team Michael Turner with Grant. I got 2 out of 6 and I know I wanted what most will say was impossible. They certainly have the cap space and then some.