Whats Wrong with KGB?

[SnakeLH2006]

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He's old and has a bum knee.

[mraynrand]

Our pass rush without KGB is mediocre at best.

This is interesting (not pointing you out), but last summer many thought KGB was expendable and wanted to dump his salary.

I always liked KGB, but felt he was overworked as a full time DE. He's a specialist and needs his snaps limited to maintain effectiveness.

I stated repeatedly on JS forum that I wanted to replace KGB, Favre and Bubba and go after a pass rusher, DB, and team Michael Turner with Grant. I got 2 out of 6 and I know I wanted what most will say was impossible. They certainly have the cap space and then some.

Makes sense to me (I disagree a bit about Favre) - maybe the price was too high for the guys you wanted. Maybe TT couldn't lure in the extra talent. Will the Packers be in danger of coming in too far below the cap limit? Patler?

[mraynrand]

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He's old and has a bum knee.

BRAVO!

[pbmax]

Well, if wikipedia is to be trusted at all, I give credit to Mr. Rand for pointing out that I had no idea what microfracture was used for. I thought it was for knees where there was no cartilage left and was a last ditch effort.

Apparently, its meant to fill in gaps where cartilage has been removed because it is torn or calcified. But for it to work, your own cartilage must still be functional because the largest area the surgery will cover is 2.5 cm. Good to know.

Also good to know that another procedure has been used to regenerate actual cartilage (the exact same stuff in your joints naturally) in damaged areas, this is called Characterized Chrondocyte Implantation. Microfracture stimulates connective tissue to form to repair the damage, but that tissue is a cousin of actual cartilage, the new procedure stimulates the real stuff to grow.

Now back to your original programming.

[pbmax]

Minimum for 2008 Cap is $98.8 last I read.

Makes sense to me (I disagree a bit about Favre) - maybe the price was too high for the guys you wanted. Maybe TT couldn't lure in the extra talent. Will the Packers be in danger of coming in too far below the cap limit? Patler?

[mraynrand]

Well, if wikipedia is to be trusted at all, I give credit to Mr. Rand for pointing out that I had no idea what microfracture was used for. I thought it was for knees where there was no cartilage left and was a last ditch effort.

Apparently, its meant to fill in gaps where cartilage has been removed because it is torn or calcified. But for it to work, your own cartilage must still be functional because the largest area the surgery will cover is 2.5 cm. Good to know.

Also good to know that another procedure has been used to regenerate actual cartilage (the exact same stuff in your joints naturally) in damaged areas, this is called Characterized Chrondocyte Implantation. Microfracture stimulates connective tissue to form to repair the damage, but that tissue is a cousin of actual cartilage, the new procedure stimulates the real stuff to grow.

Now back to your original programming.

The 'Cousin' of the real stuff is mostly scar tissue. The trick of the research is getting the real stuff to form properly - chondrocytes are like cartilage precursors or 'stem cells' - they can generate cartilage, but the difficulty is getting new cartilage to form with the proper adhesion to the bone and with the proper morphology in the joint. The cool thing is that when scientists actually figure this stuff out, it will be possible to regenerate parts of the knee joint - but don't expect it in time to save KGB

[Guiness]

Makes sense to me (I disagree a bit about Favre) - maybe the price was too high for the guys you wanted. Maybe TT couldn't lure in the extra talent. Will the Packers be in danger of coming in too far below the cap limit? Patler?

They have until the end of the season to get themselves under the cap. Although the Pack has had a lot of extra space going into the season the last 2 years, both times they have managed to use most or all of it by season's end.

In the past, the Pack have done 2 things to use up the extra cap space:

1) Extend existing players during the season.
Signing players to extensions, and giving them bonuses. Expect Tauscher, of course. Bigby, if he's still starting. Rodgers and Jennings could easily get theirs early, as well.

2) Likely to be earned bonuses that aren't very likely
This is the game the Pack has played well in the past to push money out to next year. If there's significant money left at the mid-point of the season, re-negotiate a veteran player's contract to include bonuses that the NFL considers 'likely to be earned'. For instance, give Morency $1million for starting 8 games. I expect the NFL will look more closely at these things in the next CBA.

[mraynrand]

Makes sense to me (I disagree a bit about Favre) - maybe the price was too high for the guys you wanted. Maybe TT couldn't lure in the extra talent. Will the Packers be in danger of coming in too far below the cap limit? Patler?

They have until the end of the season to get themselves under the cap. Although the Pack has had a lot of extra space going into the season the last 2 years, both times they have managed to use most or all of it by season's end.

In the past, the Pack have done 2 things to use up the extra cap space:

1) Extend existing players during the season.
Signing players to extensions, and giving them bonuses. Expect Tauscher, of course. Bigby, if he's still starting. Rodgers and Jennings could easily get theirs early, as well.

2) Likely to be earned bonuses that aren't very likely
This is the game the Pack has played well in the past to push money out to next year. If there's significant money left at the mid-point of the season, re-negotiate a veteran player's contract to include bonuses that the NFL considers 'likely to be earned'. For instance, give Morency $1million for starting 8 games. I expect the NFL will look more closely at these things in the next CBA.

Thanks for the info. Good post.

[bobblehead]

whereas I just finished trashing RB's as a dime a dozen, speed rushers are very rare and valuable. No KGB is bad...very bad. Our only hope would be that Hunter is ready for that breakthrough type year KGB had back when. It would be a saving grace if he did breakthrough.

[sepporepi]

For instance, give Morency $1million for starting 8 games.

I think since he never has done it before, it would unlikely to earn for him.

Special Teams bonuses are likely to be earned in general. So give Tauscher a new contract and state that he gets another 5MIL if he plays on 20 kickoffs or has 10 Special team tackles and so on...