Culpepper annouces retirement. YAY!

[Gunakor]

It doesn't really matter if a guy wants to represent himself or not, although I don't think I'd ever try to do that if I was a player; leave it to the experts.

If teams don't want to negotiate anything with you unless you have an agent they can talk to, then it really does matter whether you have an agent or not. Again, from everything I gather from the letters Culpepper has written and made public, it seems the biggest reason teams did not want to deal with him is because he was representing himself instead of hiring an agent. It matters quite a bit, apparently. I'm not saying it's right, just that things are the way they are.

[Carolina_Packer]

It doesn't really matter if a guy wants to represent himself or not, although I don't think I'd ever try to do that if I was a player; leave it to the experts.

If teams don't want to negotiate anything with you unless you have an agent they can talk to, then it really does matter whether you have an agent or not. Again, from everything I gather from the letters Culpepper has written and made public, it seems the biggest reason teams did not want to deal with him is because he was representing himself instead of hiring an agent. It matters quite a bit, apparently. I'm not saying it's right, just that things are the way they are.

If that reason was made plain to Culpepper and he refused to be represented because he was sticking to his guns, then he can only blame himself. Obviously Oakland didn't mind dealing with him, but it is Al Davis. Again, my point is, if the guy still had it, do you really think teams would put up some smoke-screen about not wanting to deal with him directly? If anything, they might be able to get him to accept less than an agent would. One things for sure, that saying about a person who represents themself has a fool for a client is generally true.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I like Flynn as the #2 better than I like Culpepper as the #2. And expanding on that a bit, I like Flynn as the #2 next year more than I'd like Brohm as the #2 next year, and if we'd have signed Culpepper that's exactly what we'd have next season. Flynn would not be a Packer.

I think Culpepper is better than Flynn right now. But you make a good point, no Flynn if they had Culpepper, that's no good.

Flynn has done an amazing feat: a seventh round pick has won the backup QB job. I think it would have been a bigger story if the team wasn't concerned about embarassing Brohm, they've played it low key.

[Carolina_Packer]

I like Flynn as the #2 better than I like Culpepper as the #2. And expanding on that a bit, I like Flynn as the #2 next year more than I'd like Brohm as the #2 next year, and if we'd have signed Culpepper that's exactly what we'd have next season. Flynn would not be a Packer.

I think Culpepper is better than Flynn right now. But you make a good point, no Flynn if they had Culpepper, that's no good.

Flynn has done an amazing feat: a seventh round pick has won the backup QB job. I think it would have been a bigger story if the team wasn't concerned about embarassing Brohm, they've played it low key.

They handled it perfectly. Fake competitions because of a player's draft slot or ego are transparent to the other players. I'd be psyched to be a marginal draft choice or undrafted guy that the Packers sign who does not have a big reputation because that tells me I have a shot if I work hard.

[Gunakor]

Again, my point is, if the guy still had it, do you really think teams would put up some smoke-screen about not wanting to deal with him directly? If anything, they might be able to get him to accept less than an agent would.

I'm not sure about that, given Culpepper's perception of market value. An agent would surely have been smart enough to pound it into Culpepper's head that market value is what teams are willing to pay, not what he thinks teams should be willing to pay. So I think that had Culpepper hired an agent he would have a job right now, because an agent probably would have convinced him to accept an offer below what he believed his market value was and get himself onto a roster somewhere.

[ThunderDan]

It doesn't really matter if a guy wants to represent himself or not, although I don't think I'd ever try to do that if I was a player; leave it to the experts.

If teams don't want to negotiate anything with you unless you have an agent they can talk to, then it really does matter whether you have an agent or not. Again, from everything I gather from the letters Culpepper has written and made public, it seems the biggest reason teams did not want to deal with him is because he was representing himself instead of hiring an agent. It matters quite a bit, apparently. I'm not saying it's right, just that things are the way they are.

I think you have it absolutely backwards. If I was a GM I would rather deal with a "green" agent representing himself than Drew Rosenpenis that has it down to a science.

[Gunakor]

It doesn't really matter if a guy wants to represent himself or not, although I don't think I'd ever try to do that if I was a player; leave it to the experts.

If teams don't want to negotiate anything with you unless you have an agent they can talk to, then it really does matter whether you have an agent or not. Again, from everything I gather from the letters Culpepper has written and made public, it seems the biggest reason teams did not want to deal with him is because he was representing himself instead of hiring an agent. It matters quite a bit, apparently. I'm not saying it's right, just that things are the way they are.

I think you have it absolutely backwards. If I was a GM I would rather deal with a "green" agent representing himself than Drew Rosenpenis that has it down to a science.

Read the letters written by Culpepper and tell me I have it backwards. He said it quite clearly that teams did not want to talk to him because he does not have an agent. Now, if you were a GM and would rather deal with Culpepper directly that's fine. You are entitled to have your own opinion on the matter. But several GM's in the NFL would apparently deal with Rosenhaus or Cook or any other agent than with Culpepper directly. I don't have it backwards at all. That's the way it is.

[Lurker64]

Clearly Culpepper says "teams didn't want to talk to me because I was my own agent", but I'm not so sure that what he says or what he believes necessarily represents reality. My guess is that when a few teams contacted him and learned that he wanted a shot at a starting job, and thus were unwilling to sign him, word of this got out and nobody wanted to talk to Daunte since nobody wanted to give him a shot at a starting job.

After all, the offer the Packers gave him was more than reasonable, and in light of him not accepting that, it's reasonable that the interest in signing Daunte waned a little bit.

[gex]

Did it for attention only... pathetic

Ironic, coming from a Favre fan.

You think Favre retired for attention?

No, but I find it quite funny that a fan of Favre, a player who is an attention whore, would call another QB pathetic and doing sonething only for attention, hence the word ironic.

Dude, enough already, what, you can't take a hint?

[ThunderDan]

It doesn't really matter if a guy wants to represent himself or not, although I don't think I'd ever try to do that if I was a player; leave it to the experts.

If teams don't want to negotiate anything with you unless you have an agent they can talk to, then it really does matter whether you have an agent or not. Again, from everything I gather from the letters Culpepper has written and made public, it seems the biggest reason teams did not want to deal with him is because he was representing himself instead of hiring an agent. It matters quite a bit, apparently. I'm not saying it's right, just that things are the way they are.

I think you have it absolutely backwards. If I was a GM I would rather deal with a "green" agent representing himself than Drew Rosenpenis that has it down to a science.

Read the letters written by Culpepper and tell me I have it backwards. He said it quite clearly that teams did not want to talk to him because he does not have an agent. Now, if you were a GM and would rather deal with Culpepper directly that's fine. You are entitled to have your own opinion on the matter. But several GM's in the NFL would apparently deal with Rosenhaus or Cook or any other agent than with Culpepper directly. I don't have it backwards at all. That's the way it is.

Culpepper is a jaded man dealing with a knee injury that took away his greatest asset as a QB ... his ability to run. It sounds like sour grapes and he is willing to blame anyone but himself. He also stated he didn't want to wait until a QB was hurt to get a job. BS what maybe 2 or 3 QBs get drafted and start right away, the rest get in mostly because of injuries. How about Favre and Warner?

[Gunakor]

Clearly Culpepper says "teams didn't want to talk to me because I was my own agent", but I'm not so sure that what he says or what he believes necessarily represents reality. My guess is that when a few teams contacted him and learned that he wanted a shot at a starting job, and thus were unwilling to sign him, word of this got out and nobody wanted to talk to Daunte since nobody wanted to give him a shot at a starting job.

After all, the offer the Packers gave him was more than reasonable, and in light of him not accepting that, it's reasonable that the interest in signing Daunte waned a little bit.

Well that's speculation. We don't know for certain what teams did or did not tell him, so all we have to go on is what Culpepper said. Whether you believe him or not, that's all the information on the topic we have. You can't really call him a liar because you have nothing to support your case against him. Nobody within NFL circles has come out and suggested he was lying. Any speculation is an uninformed opinion vs. Culpepper's public letters. I'll go by Culpepper's letters over fan's opinions for now because Culpepper was actually there and knows what went down. We fans do not.

He did say several times that he was willing to compete for a job, and at the end was willing to settle for a backup position. Apparently nobody offered him either of those opportunities either, with the known exception being that Culpepper turned down an offer from Green Bay because he felt it was below market value.

Agreed that the offer given to him by the Packers was more than reasonable. Which is why I say if he had an agent he'd probably have a job by now. An agent would get in Culpepper's ear and tell him that his market value was what he was offered. Accept it or sit. That's advice I'd expect any agent would give his client in that situation.

[Gunakor]

Culpepper is a jaded man dealing with a knee injury that took away his greatest asset as a QB ... his ability to run. It sounds like sour grapes and he is willing to blame anyone but himself. He also stated he didn't want to wait until a QB was hurt to get a job. BS what maybe 2 or 3 QBs get drafted and start right away, the rest get in mostly because of injuries. How about Favre and Warner?

Culpepper is not a rookie coming out of the draft. And he wasn't holding out for a starting job, he was holding out for what he believed was fair market value for his services. Thus he turned down Green Bay's offer, as he felt it was below market value.

He said he was willing to settle for a backup role if he couldn't land a starting job, which makes sense because if that were untrue he wouldn't have even entertained the idea of coming to Green Bay. He considered it knowing that Rodgers was the starter, and then turned it down.

[Sparkey]

i'm not trying to start anything here but when i heard the culpecker was retiring a thought came to mind and i haven't seen anybody else post about so here it is... i started to wonder if culpecker had signed to be the backup would brett still be a packer today?...

my reasoning for this is if culpecker signed to be the backup before the draft then TT probably wouldn't have drafted two qbs... then when brett announced that he wanted to come back it would have been between culpecker and favre and there is no way in hell (IMO) he would have taken pecker over favre... and in time favre (IMO) would have beaten AR out of the starting job... just a thought... any thoughts about that??

sorry if i'm

Ok,

IF they signed Culpepper as the Backup. He would be the backup to Rodgers. So, your thoughts are incorrect regarding it changing the outcome of favre un-retiring. However, as previously mentioned. We'd still have Brohm but not Flynn.

[BZnDallas]

i'm not trying to start anything here but when i heard the culpecker was retiring a thought came to mind and i haven't seen anybody else post about so here it is... i started to wonder if culpecker had signed to be the backup would brett still be a packer today?...

my reasoning for this is if culpecker signed to be the backup before the draft then TT probably wouldn't have drafted two qbs... then when brett announced that he wanted to come back it would have been between culpecker and favre and there is no way in hell (IMO) he would have taken pecker over favre... and in time favre (IMO) would have beaten AR out of the starting job... just a thought... any thoughts about that??

sorry if i'm

I don't recall hearing or reading anywhere about TT looking for a veteran QB before the draft in the first place. On top of that, before the draft Favre was retired. As per the timeline released by Ted Thompson and then confirmed by Brett Favre himself, Favre didn't call McCarthy until June 20th to express his desire to return to football. The two rookies had already been drafted and had gone through OTA's and MC already. Had Culpepper been signed before the draft you are absolutely correct that TT would not have drafted 2 QB's, but there is nothing to support the idea that an offer had even been made prior to the draft. Besides, if Culpepper were signed before the draft, the only QB we'd have drafted would have been Brian Brohm. Flynn would have been the odd man out, and it would appear that Flynn might be the greater of the two rookies we drafted. To be perfectly honest, I like Flynn as the #2 better than I like Culpepper as the #2. And expanding on that a bit, I like Flynn as the #2 next year more than I'd like Brohm as the #2 next year, and if we'd have signed Culpepper that's exactly what we'd have next season. Flynn would not be a Packer.

hmmm... packers look at culpecker april 23... '08 nfl draft is april 27th...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3364050

not my fault if you didn't remember or recall hearing it... and i didn't say he had been offered a contract... my point isn't or wasn't about the difference between flynn or brohm b/c i like flynn more too... did you even read my post?? my point is if the rotation was rodgers, culpecker, rookie, then its MY OPINION TT may have let culpecker go to let favre comeback WHEN HE DECIDED HE WAS READY, since he wouldn't have to let go of one of the two rookies he ended up drafting... Culpecker or favre which would you choose??

read this post all the way thru before replying... it might make a lil more sense...

[BZnDallas]

i'm not trying to start anything here but when i heard the culpecker was retiring a thought came to mind and i haven't seen anybody else post about so here it is... i started to wonder if culpecker had signed to be the backup would brett still be a packer today?...

my reasoning for this is if culpecker signed to be the backup before the draft then TT probably wouldn't have drafted two qbs... then when brett announced that he wanted to come back it would have been between culpecker and favre and there is no way in hell (IMO) he would have taken pecker over favre... and in time favre (IMO) would have beaten AR out of the starting job... just a thought... any thoughts about that??

sorry if i'm

Ok,

IF they signed Culpepper as the Backup. He would be the backup to Rodgers. So, your thoughts are incorrect regarding it changing the outcome of favre un-retiring. However, as previously mentioned. We'd still have Brohm but not Flynn.

nothing gets by this guy!!

how is my opinion incorrect? ITS AN OPINION!! and i never said anything about him changing the outcome about un-retiring... i just stated that if brett still wanted to play and had culpecker been a packer at the time, TT might have let culpecker go so brett could come back (and not get traded) since he wouldn't have to let go of a draft choice?... is this soooo hard to understand... i'm sorry if i didn't explain myself well enough for ya'll to understand...

like stated earlier, actually read the post, try and figure out what someone is saying before telling them their opinion is wrong