Did Harrell have his surgery yet?

[Joemailman]

Williams was definitely a very good situational player, but had only 1 sack last year once he was inserted in the starting lineup. I think Daniel Muir was the biggest disappointment of training camp, and was probably being counted on to fill at least some of CW"s role this year. I imagine this position will be a major focus in next year's draft.

[NewsBruin]

I believe he had a diskectomy, or at least a partial one. The physical relief is immediate, and once the incision heals and the swelling goes down, he should be okay (minus a back that's less cushiony and more prone to arthritis).

I think two months seems short, but it would be a good time frame for him to heal, and then resume conditioning, lifting, and technique at a pace that's not likely to cause him to reinjure himself by going overboard.

[mmmdk]

what will we lose if we just cut the guy right now.. do we owe him any money? The guy hasn't done anything in the league and probably never will and will make more money than I'll see... pisses me off

Based on this thinking, Ron Wolf should have given up on Mike Flanagan after two years. Flanagan didn't get on the field until his 3rd season because of injuries. Didn't start a game until his 5th. If you think someone has a chance to be really good, it pays to have some patience.

Listen to Joe & Wolf.

[Partial]

doctor said I need a back-iomotimy.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Two years ago, Jenkins looked average at DT and good at DE. Last year, he almost looked better at DT. Kind of funny, but Cullen actually pressured the QB more than Williams last year. He had a pressure every 30 snaps. Williams had a pressure every 37 snaps. I know DEs tend to have more pressures, but Williams also had a higher percentage of snaps on passing downs.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Williams was definitely a very good situational player, but had only 1 sack last year once he was inserted in the starting lineup. I think Daniel Muir was the biggest disappointment of training camp, and was probably being counted on to fill at least some of CW"s role this year. I imagine this position will be a major focus in next year's draft.

He also had a disproportionate amount of sacks for pressures. We'll see what happens. I don't like our depth at DT either. I was hoping Harrell would be healthy and Muir would improve. Now, Jenkins may have to play inside even more, and not just on passing downs. We could really use Mike Montgomery and Jason Hunter showing big improvement.

[Brohm]

Keep an eye on Jenkins on pass rush attempts, his spin move is just sick. Problem he has is any nick or scratch makes him ineffective against the pass. When healthy he is as good, if not better than Williams.

[Pugger]

I don't understand why there is all this pining for C. Williams. When Jolly went on IR last season and Williams got extensive playing time our pass rush/D line play really suffered. And it really came to roost in the NFC Championship game. The Giants ran all day long, Eli had all day back there to pick apart our DBs and Plaxico had a big night.

[Zool]

doctor said I need a back-iomotimy.

I want a HUNDRED AND FIDDY THOUSAND DOLLARS.

but we can settle
out of court right now for $20

[run pMc]

JH had the surgery as noted already and is rehabbing it.
It is extremely unlikely that TT cuts the guy this year. My guess is next year is do-or-die. There is a cap hit.
Agree with other posters that C.Williams was a good inside pass rusher, but his run D wasn't as good and as a platoon player probably not worth franchise $ and a starting spot. I can't imagine TT paying a him more than his 2 starting DT's (Pickett & Jolly) combined.
Would like to see JH get healthy and contribute, as well as Cullen Jenkins showing he is more than a 4-game phenom.

[SnakeLH2006]

I'm a little skeptical myself. But he better get out there and play. A first round draft pick who has barely seen the field in two years is not good. Let me preemptively say it was different with Aaron Rodgers.

Drafting Brady Quinn (and keeping Corey Williams) looks a lot better option in hindsight than drafting Harrell.

True, Justin Harrell is a joke...the NFL player too.... as he can only hope to be a bust and look this cool.

[Jerry Tagge]

Re: Did Harrell have his surgery yet?

I haven't seen any news on Harrell since TT said it looked like he needed another surgery.

The JSOnline Blog stated that Harrell was doing rehab at practice today. I hope this is post-op rehab.

This was the guy TT had to have instead of getting Cleveland's first round pick this year so they could take Brady Quinn.

TT could have gotten Reggie Nelson with the 16th pick in 2007. Nah, we don't need Reggie Nelson, we have Nick Collins.

Another great pick by TT. Right up there with a QB who is more fragile than Rex Grossman and a WR on a team that was supposedly loaded at WR.

I guess the Packers don't need a passing rushing DE or any offensive lineman. TT does great picking O lineman. Colledge, Spitz, Moll, Coston, and Barbre are all going to the Pro Bowl.

Yes sir, that TT sure knows how to pick em.

[SnakeLH2006]

Re: Did Harrell have his surgery yet?

I haven't seen any news on Harrell since TT said it looked like he needed another surgery.

The JSOnline Blog stated that Harrell was doing rehab at practice today. I hope this is post-op rehab.

This was the guy TT had to have instead of getting Cleveland's first round pick this year so they could take Brady Quinn.

TT could have gotten Reggie Nelson with the 16th pick in 2007. Nah, we don't need Reggie Nelson, we have Nick Collins.

Another great pick by TT. Right up there with a QB who is more fragile than Rex Grossman and a WR on a team that was supposedly loaded at WR.

I guess the Packers don't need a passing rushing DE or any offensive lineman. TT does great picking O lineman. Colledge, Spitz, Moll, Coston, and Barbre are all going to the Pro Bowl.

Yes sir, that TT sure knows how to pick em.

Fuck ya dude...err. Yoda..Awesome post.

[Fritz]

Interestingly, for all this talk of Corey Williams as a defensive tackle, the Browns are going to use him at end:

"With Williams out, the starting line has been Shaun Smith and Robaire Smith at ends and Shaun Rogers at nose tackle. Williams will join the end rotation once he's healthy enough. Sunday, he participated in a few individual drills." (Browns Insider)

This supports Lurker's point and the point others are making that Williams, nice though he might be to have in the Packer rotation, is not someone you can point to as a replacement for the injured Harrell. Two completely different kinds of guys, and having Williams here would not ease the loss of Harrell very much at all. It might affect your third-and-long rotation, but that's about it.

[b bulldog]

The browns run a 3/4 so you can't compare the two. I thought harrell would be a bust once it was printed that he couldn't hardly complete the Dline drills as a rookie.