TT vs Sherman

[Tarlam!]

Re: TT vs Sherman

....I don't know about you, but I want to know if I'm valued or not, as I've been in management for years... 1/3 of that is at least being knowledgeable of your staff and on speaking terms

Yeah, but being an assistant manager at a Taco Bell store hardly puts you in the same league as the GM of an NFL Franchise, does it? And you need to be better at personal relationships in your line of work; getting help is a bitch in the fast food business.

See? I can be even more childish and immature than you.

You're twisting the discussion to suit your line of thought. You compared Sherman's "rah rah" style as a coach to TT's introversion as a GM and you profess Sherman the GM got more out of his players as a result. I say that M3 is responsible for getting the most of the players. I also continue to maintain your comparison is asinine.

Don't bother replying if you feel like being a fucking moron and posting more of "my" high school pics or like-minded stuff. I am only here to discuss football.

[SkinBasket]

I'm starting to think Snake is directly related to Woodbuck.

[Tarlam!]

I'm starting to think Snake is directly related to Woodbuck.

Or Tank?

[Bretsky]

here I thought we were trying to get by these type of references to posters

[Fritz]

Those who have pointed out that it will be more accurate to revisit this thread after this season - and really, after the next - are correct.

TT has as GM had one good year. That's all. So we'll see how it plays out, though if this team seems to slips a little (depending on circumstances - injuries, for example), I think TT definitely deserves a shot again next year. I wouldn't be ready to hang the guy if the team this year does not quite live up to expectations. So we need more time to be able to give an accurate assessment.

I will add only this, though. Yes, it was only one year, but it was further than Mike Sherman the CoachGM ever took any of his teams. For all the anguish over 4th-and-26, that was just to get to the NFC Championship game.

[Bretsky]

Those who have pointed out that it will be more accurate to revisit this thread after this season - and really, after the next - are correct.

TT has as GM had one good year. That's all. So we'll see how it plays out, though if this team seems to slips a little (depending on circumstances - injuries, for example), I think TT definitely deserves a shot again next year. I wouldn't be ready to hang the guy if the team this year does not quite live up to expectations. So we need more time to be able to give an accurate assessment.

I will add only this, though. Yes, it was only one year, but it was further than Mike Sherman the CoachGM ever took any of his teams. For all the anguish over 4th-and-26, that was just to get to the NFC Championship game.

[GBRulz]

One thing I can think of when comparing TT vs Sherm, is that TT def makes me shake my head and say "WTF" more so than Sherm ever did. The good thing is, for the most part...they have turned out to be for the best. Well, the jury is still out on JH being a bust...our current QB situation (rookie bu's)......letting Williams go and replacing our punter and holder at the last minute.

There is no reason why this team should take a step back vs last year. We didn't have to lose any of our players and in fact, should only have improved. I think a fair assessment could be made after this year.

[RashanGary]

TT could have:

- Traded for Jared Allen by offering a 1st, 2nd and 3rd (more than the Vikings)

- Kept Corey Williams

- Signed Alen Faneca

- Convinced Brett this is the year and to show up to off season work


Imagine a DL of

Allen/KGB
Jolly/Jenkins
Pickett/Williams
Kampman/Montgomery

And an OL of

Clifton
Colledge
Spitz
Faneca
Tausher


Who do you think would win the Monday Night opener then


I think TT will continue to make good decisions and we'll get this talented, but it won't be a one year shot where we crumble under the cap the following year. It will be real. It will be lasting. I think TT has the approach of someone who wants a dynasty. It's fun to think about what could have been this year and watch those with no long term vision squirm with anxiety though. And remember, NE took a similar shot and it didn't pay off. Let's see how those short term decisions pay off this year and next year and if it ultimately gives them a sB. I'm thinking not.

[RashanGary]

Imagine a pass rushing group of:

KGB
Allen
Jenkins
Kampman

With Poppinga, Hawk, Barnett and Bigby waiting to blitz.
With Al and Wood holding down the outside

That's equally talented as teh NYG line and the rest of our team is a lot better. Damn it. I think we should all just shoot ourselves in the head right now.

[b bulldog]

TT is taking the Packers a step back this year so they can move two steps ahead in the next two years.

[RashanGary]

TT is taking the Packers a step back this year so they can move two steps ahead in the next two years.

I think that might ultimately happen.

The way I understand his boring press conferences I think he believes that if he keeps bringing in quality young players and recognizes his core players (BEFORE UFA) that he'll be able to fit the most talent under the cap and give his team the best chance to win the SB for not just one year but for many, many years.

[b bulldog]

agree and I think management had no confidence is #4 in the big games so they that enabled them to do this.

[mraynrand]

Imagine a pass rushing group of:

KGB
Allen
Jenkins
Kampman

With Poppinga, Hawk, Barnett and Bigby waiting to blitz.
With Al and Wood holding down the outside

That's equally talented as teh NYG line and the rest of our team is a lot better. Damn it. I think we should all just shoot ourselves in the head right now.

Jenkins, Kampman, Barnett, Al Harris - all brought in by Sherman the GM. I stand by Sherman as decent coach and so-so GM. I also stand by my claim that Sherman should never have been fired twice (Harlan should have let him go from both jobs at the same time). TT has a long contract and his future is uncertain. I believe that in time he will be known as a very good GM, perhaps one of the best, despite the kind of flaws Snake points out. Sherman is a college coach. It looks as if no team wanted him as their GM. There is a reason for that.

But Jerry's point is still completely valid - Sherman's record stacks up well with any three year run of GMs. The most critical reason Sherman was let go was that Harlan all along believed in separation of GM and coach and wanted to leave that legacy - and at the same time, Sherman had an abysmal off season as GM (Losing McKenzie the way he did, changing defensive coordinators in favor of a scheme that has never really worked in the NFL and for whom Sherman didn't have the personnel, having a terrible draft, losing the team, losing at home to Minnesota in the playoffs) - and just a general sense that the team was going in the wrong direction long-term.

[b bulldog]

sHERMAN TOTALLY SOLD OUT THE FUTURE FOR THE PRESENT AND STILL COULDN'T GET THE JOB DONE. Sherman was let go before all of this bit him in the butt.

[Scott Campbell]