TT vs Sherman

[Scott Campbell]

TT is taking the Packers a step back this year so they can move two steps ahead in the next two years.

Welcome back. We missed you. We might be able to get along--now that I don't have to defend Brett anymore.

This seems as good a spot as any to mention that Utah beat Michigan in Ann Arbor last week.

[pbmax]

I may have overstated my thesis. Williams would not have willingly played for just the tender, and its clear the Pack didn't think he was worth the long term deal he wanted.

And that relationship carries increased risk. Williams would have missed a good portion of the offseason, been more likely to be injured and likely wanted a concession of not using the tag again the following season to report during camp. Who knows where his head would have been.

He disappeared after KGBs injury. Why have that guy back again? Get someone else in there who might be better. An overpaid veteran who starts because you fear there isn't a replacement on the roster is the first sign of a declining team. Better to try Jolly or Harrell.

There is a cost to holding out, whether its injuries (Bubba, Grant, Woodson) or concessions (Haynesworth, Briggs). Unless you are willing to pay the freight for the player, the tag is a game of chicken and it affects play on the field. Even Briggs was affected.

Jones might be the exception, but even he, by missing camp for 2 plus years likely was hurt by it. The concession is that you will get nothing for the player next year.

Taking this chance on a player who was not worth the contract he was going to get. He wasn't that good.

Yes, there is a cost. I think if we asked Sean Gilbert today about that cost, he'd tell us he would have made a different decision.

Ultimately I think that's why Ted let Williams go. He didn't think the battle was worth it.

But none of this proves that Williams wouldn't have played. Plenty of evidence suggests the opposite. There is also plenty of evidence that had he played on the tag and not been as effective, he'd have still been better than the depth we currently have. I think there is merit to THAT point. Others don't, but again, that doesn't prove he wouldn't have played.

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sherman left us with no depth and drove us into salary cap hell

TT has got us out of cap hell, and put us in cap heaven, but now he doesn't want to do anything with it

both have their faults, but their faults were like polar opposites of each other

[cpk1994]

Re: TT vs Sherman

Ted Thompson's GM record after 3 seasons: 25-23.

Mike Sherman's GM record after 3 seasons: 34-14.

I can't believe Packers fans think the franchise's savior is a GM who is 9 games worse than Mike Sherman.

Hey, Tank. How's it going? Still I see. Good to see you anyway.

[RashanGary]

sherman left us with no depth and drove us into salary cap hell

TT has got us out of cap hell, and put us in cap heaven, but now he doesn't want to do anything with it

both have their faults, but their faults were like polar opposites of each other

It's a little early to say we know TT's fault is his unwillingness to spend his money. Maybe he believes he can do better by determining his core players before UFA. UFA, by nature of supply and demand, tends to hurt teams more than it helps them. When you don't have many core young players, you're going to go through a time where it's hard to spend the money. If you start bringing in more of those core young players you're going to rise to the top as they mature and you'll have to spend it if you want to keep them around. The advantage of keeping your own is the price.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Re: TT vs Sherman

Ted Thompson's GM record after 3 seasons: 25-23.

Mike Sherman's GM record after 3 seasons: 34-14.

I can't believe Packers fans think the franchise's savior is a GM who is 9 games worse than Mike Sherman.

Hey, Tank. How's it going? Still I see. Good to see you anyway.

How is he beating a dead horse when the title of the thread is "TT vs. Sherman"? Seems like a legitimate comparison to look at their records.

[cpk1994]

Re: TT vs Sherman

Ted Thompson's GM record after 3 seasons: 25-23.

Mike Sherman's GM record after 3 seasons: 34-14.

I can't believe Packers fans think the franchise's savior is a GM who is 9 games worse than Mike Sherman.

Hey, Tank. How's it going? Still I see. Good to see you anyway.

How is he beating a dead horse when the title of the thread is "TT vs. Sherman"? Seems like a legitimate comparison to look at their records.

It's a dead horse becuase its the argument that Tank has been making since the day TT was hired. We don't need Tank II here.

[bobblehead]

I'm stunned this got ONE reply much less 4 pages. I think tagge was being sarcastic....he HAD to have been kidding.

Tagge...never mind.

[mraynrand]

If this is the same Jerry Tagge as on the JS forums - hey Jerry, when did you move from Chicago to Minnesota?

[gbgary]

did anyone notice the sherman lead texas a&m aggies opened the season with a very embarrassing loss to arkansas state...18-14?!

[cpk1994]

did anyone notice the sherman lead texas a&m aggies opened the season with a very embarrassing loss to arkansas state...18-14?!

Yes, there was a thread about it.

[mraynrand]

did anyone notice the sherman lead texas a&m aggies opened the season with a very embarrassing loss to arkansas state...18-14?!

Yes, there was a thread about it.

Yes - and everyone agreed that it was definitive proof, at last, that Sherman is the worst coach in the history of football.

[Brohm]

Oo Tank is playing soccer with the hornet's nest again

[mission]

did anyone notice the sherman lead texas a&m aggies opened the season with a very embarrassing loss to arkansas state...18-14?!

Yes, there was a thread about it.

Yes - and everyone agreed that it was definitive proof, at last, that Sherman is the worst coach in the history of football.

And there it is.

Who's gonna do the Wikipedia entry?

[pbmax]

I keep trying to update it but a user named "APB<3sherm" keeps undoing the changes. I am considering submitting it to mediation.

Yes - and everyone agreed that it was definitive proof, at last, that Sherman is the worst coach in the history of football.

And there it is.

Who's gonna do the Wikipedia entry?