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    I like his comment at the end. I wish other players would have the same attitude. Criticize Ahmad Carroll (and I do), but at least he took the signing of Charles Woodson as a challange, and he seems to be working even harder.

    Taylor turns heads at linebacker
    By Pete Dougherty, PackersNews.com

    No one wins a job for a wide-open starting position in the NFL in offseason practices.

    But players can stake themselves to early leads, and little-known newcomer Ben Taylor has done that at the strong side of the Green Bay Packers’ revamped linebackers corps.

    Taylor has worked most of the minicamps and organized team activities as the starter on the strong side, ahead of second-year pro Roy Manning. Manning knew the defense after starting two games at that position last year, yet former Cleveland Browns starter Taylor surpassed him.

    Maybe Manning will beat out Taylor when the pads go on, or perhaps third-round draft pick Abdul Hodge will play so well in training camp that the Packers will move him from the backup at middle linebacker to compete for the strong-side job. Even Brady Poppinga lingers in the background as a possible starter, though that hinges on him bucking the odds and coming back from knee-reconstruction surgery in time to practice during training camp.

    That leaves Taylor, signed as a security blanket because of his 26 starts in four NFL seasons with the Browns, the front-runner when training camp opens in July.

    “Although he has his limitations, he’s a football player,” said Reggie McKenzie, the Packers’ director of pro personnel.

    “That’s what we liked. We felt like he was a football player, and once we got him in and got to know him in person, he plays like he is: a tough guy, smart, a football guy.”

    The Packers signed Taylor to one-year deal that included $80,280 in signing and workout bonuses hoping, but not knowing, whether he’d be a starter in their re-made linebacker corps.

    Before they signed him, they cut ties with two regulars at linebacker: Na’il Diggs and Paris Lenon. They released Diggs because of his contract — $2.9 million in roster bonus and base salary this year — and made no effort to compete with Detroit’s surprisingly lucrative contract offer in free agency that included a $1.8 million bonus.

    Diggs was a full-time starter for five years before injuries to both knees limited him to six starts last year, and Lenon started 12 games combined at weak-side and strong-side linebacker last season.

    With only middle linebacker Nick Barnett back as a sure-fire starter and A.J. Hawk still not drafted, the Packers needed a linebacker who could play all three positions immediately. Taylor, a fourth-round pick out of Virginia Tech in 2002, had played every linebacker position in his four seasons with the Browns.

    “We thought he was a good candidate (to start), and if he won the starting spot, fine,” McKenzie said. “But the bottom line is, we wanted to make sure we had a good, sound football player, and that guy had to be versatile. We didn’t sign Taylor just to come in and start at Sam (i.e., strong-side) linebacker.”

    At first blush, Diggs appeared to be a much better fit for the defensive scheme that Jim Bates introduced last year and that defensive coordinator Bob Sanders will continue this year. The scheme emphasizes speed and quickness at linebacker over size, and Diggs would time significantly faster than Taylor in a foot race. Taylor ran only 4.83 seconds in the 40 coming out of college, whereas Diggs ran 4.66 seconds.

    However, the Packers’ coaching and scouting staffs concluded that Diggs didn’t have the lateral quickness they wanted, not to mention injuries were a concern. Taylor, on the other hand, performed the lateral-quickness three-cone drill at the NFL scouting combine coming out of college in 6.56 seconds, which is excellent for a linebacker. Hawk, the fifth pick overall in this year’s draft, did it in 6.82 seconds.

    The Packers thought Taylor’s lateral movement and instincts allowed him to play a touch faster than Diggs when they watched him on videotape, and he came at a much cheaper price — his base salary is $656,000 to go with the $80,000 in bonuses.

    “A lot of guys that are ‘football players’ can do things because they keep themselves in good position or they understand the scheme,” Sanders said of Taylor.

    Taylor also considered re-signing with the Browns for a slightly more lucrative offer, but Cleveland insisted on him taking a half salary if he sustained a season-ending injury — he’d had a torn pectoral muscle that cost him 13 games in 2004 and a back injury and staph infection that cost him three games in ’03.

    The Packers didn’t require the injury split in the contract, and at least as important, Taylor preferred playing in their “linebacker-friendly,” as he called it, 4-3 defense rather than Cleveland’s 3-4. At 6-foot-2, 238 pounds, he’s not a take-on linebacker, and in the Packers’ scheme, the defensive line protects its linebackers from offensive linemen. In a 3-4, linebackers are taking on offensive linemen.

    When Taylor signed with the Packers, they had two openings in the starting lineup, so he appeared to have an excellent shot at winning a job. When they drafted Hawk with the fifth pick overall, that immediately filled weak-side linebacker, and when they drafted Hodge in the third round, that added another possible competitor to go with Manning and possibly Poppinga.

    “If you do what you’re supposed to do with the ones, it’s hard to move a guy out of there,” Taylor said.
    "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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    Re: Ben Taylor

    Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers
    However, the Packers’ coaching and scouting staffs concluded that Diggs didn’t have the lateral quickness they wanted, not to mention injuries were a concern .... The Packers thought Taylor’s lateral movement and instincts allowed him to play a touch faster than Diggs when they watched him on videotape, and he came at a much cheaper price — his base salary is $656,000 to go with the $80,000 in bonuses.
    I don't like this decision. How much would it have cost to let Diggs & Taylor compete for a job this summer? Taylor is quicker laterally, OK, Diggs is much faster. Diggs is a very good football player too. Ya, the injuries, but players come back from injured periods. Flanagan was nearly washed up from injuries after first 3 years.

    Thompson has guessed wrong on a lot of free agents. I'm not busting his balls for past mistakes, but why not spend some dough to have a summer competition?

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    • #3
      Re: Ben Taylor

      Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby

      I don't like this decision. How much would it have cost to let Diggs & Taylor compete for a job this summer?
      How much would it have cost? About $600,000. That's the roster bonus that would have been due to keep Diggs on the roster. They would have had to pay that just to bring him into camp. In addition, you also run the risk of a Cletidus Hunt situation. If Diggs were hurt in camp, he would have been due his full salary of $2.300,000 in addition to the $600,000.

      Both of those figures are in addition to the $912,500 he already counts against the cap for the final year of his prorated signing bonus.

      In the end, they probably decided that no matter what he was not worth the almost $4,000,000 against the cap that he would have counted if he made the final roster. Once that conclusion was reached, you might as well let him go before the $600,000 was due.

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      • #4
        Re: Ben Taylor

        Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby
        I don't like this decision. How much would it have cost to let Diggs & Taylor compete for a job this summer? Taylor is quicker laterally, OK, Diggs is much faster.
        Well, you could have just as easily said Diggs is faster, but Taylor is MUCH quicker. His better score in three cone drill, relative to the test, was at least as much as Na'il's score in the 40.
        "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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        • #5
          I can gaurantee that Diggs can't run in the 4.6s anymore after knee injuries in both knees.
          Chris: Dad, what's the blow-hole for?
          Peter: I'll tell you what it's not for, son. And when I do, you'll understand why I can never go back to Sea World.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by BlueBrewer
            I can gaurantee that Diggs can't run in the 4.6s anymore after knee injuries in both knees.
            Well, OK, if Diggs is washed-up, end of discussion.

            Shamler has answered the question, a $600K roster bonus was due.

            He signed just a one-year deal with Carolina. Don't know what kind of guaranteed money it would have taken to keep him, perhaps too much.

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            • #7
              From an ESPN chat today:


              Doug (Ohio): I saw one magazine that said New Browns lineback Dqwell Jackson could have over 100 takles, can he truly help that defense that much?

              Mike Wilkening: (4:40 PM ET ) Jackson is likely to start, and he'll be an upgrade over Ben Taylor. One hundred tackles sounds reasonable.

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              • #8
                party pooper

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Pack0514
                  From an ESPN chat today:


                  Doug (Ohio): I saw one magazine that said New Browns lineback Dqwell Jackson could have over 100 takles, can he truly help that defense that much?

                  Mike Wilkening: (4:40 PM ET ) Jackson is likely to start, and he'll be an upgrade over Ben Taylor. One hundred tackles sounds reasonable.
                  Interesting, because Taylor had 113 tackles last year, 77 solo and 36 assists.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by shamrockfan
                    Originally posted by Pack0514
                    From an ESPN chat today:


                    Doug (Ohio): I saw one magazine that said New Browns lineback Dqwell Jackson could have over 100 takles, can he truly help that defense that much?

                    Mike Wilkening: (4:40 PM ET ) Jackson is likely to start, and he'll be an upgrade over Ben Taylor. One hundred tackles sounds reasonable.
                    Interesting, because Taylor had 113 tackles last year, 77 solo and 36 assists.

                    Let's not let our homerism fool ourselves here. Green Bay and Cleveland were the only two teams pursuing Taylor at a time where the LBing options were washed up. And we didn't offer him the type of deal with long term expectations as a starter. He's the guy w/o great measurables that teams try to replace as the starter.

                    Ben Taylor seems like the perfect backup to me. Smart, hard nosed football player who knows multiple positions. I hope he backs them all up and Abdul Hodge finds his way into our starting lineup.
                    TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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                    • #11
                      The word on Hodge is that the only position he'll play this year is the Mike, until he at least he shows the lateral quickness required for the Sam or Will positions. Also, it is unlikely that Nick Barnett would be moved to accomodate an unproven rookie. So, I think it's safe to say the LB core will be AJ Hawk, Nick Barnett, and (Ben Taylor, Roy Manning, or Brady Poppinga). I think Taylor is the front runner, followed by Manning then Brady.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Bretsky
                        Let's not let our homerism fool ourselves here. Green Bay and Cleveland were the only two teams pursuing Taylor at a time where the LBing options were washed up. And we didn't offer him the type of deal with long term expectations as a starter. He's the guy w/o great measurables that teams try to replace as the starter.

                        Ben Taylor seems like the perfect backup to me. Smart, hard nosed football player who knows multiple positions. I hope he backs them all up and Abdul Hodge finds his way into our starting lineup.
                        Who all was pursuing Diggs? About the same number of teams. At least, with Taylor his old team still wanted him. Diggs signed for even less money than Taylor did. I can't tell you Taylor is the answer, but Diggs wasn't exactly a hot commodity either.
                        "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers
                          Diggs signed for even less money than Taylor did.
                          The only info I could find anywhere on Diggs' deal is that it was a one-year deal.

                          Where'd you find this? I suspect an anal extraction. But your rectal source is good enough for me: I'm back to saying the Packers could have kept Diggs to compete for a job.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers
                            Originally posted by Bretsky
                            Let's not let our homerism fool ourselves here. Green Bay and Cleveland were the only two teams pursuing Taylor at a time where the LBing options were washed up. And we didn't offer him the type of deal with long term expectations as a starter. He's the guy w/o great measurables that teams try to replace as the starter.

                            Ben Taylor seems like the perfect backup to me. Smart, hard nosed football player who knows multiple positions. I hope he backs them all up and Abdul Hodge finds his way into our starting lineup.
                            Who all was pursuing Diggs? About the same number of teams. At least, with Taylor his old team still wanted him. Diggs signed for even less money than Taylor did. I can't tell you Taylor is the answer, but Diggs wasn't exactly a hot commodity either.
                            How do I know who Diggs was pursued by; he was clearly not wanted by Green Bay and I really didn't see who was interested. I'm also not aruging that Diggs is the answer; but I'm just not that stoked about Taylor either.
                            TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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                            • #15
                              Diggs could come back and be a serviceable starter. However, he's easily replaceable. Taylor may not be the answer, but I'll lose no sleep with Taylor or Hodge starting instead of Diggs--especially for the money he was making. If you wait a year to cut him, that's just money you are pushing to future years. Might as well eat that contract this year. BTW, Diggs signed for the veteran's minimum with Carolina.
                              "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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