Where are the A-Rod Haters? -- Regular Season 1

[Pacopete4]

Rodgers was playing very conservatively last night in order to build up a rhythm and not turn off the fan base with a big interception.

I seriously doubt he was checking down to pander to the fan base. He was playing within the West Coast offense.

I agree to a point.. but I also feel it was a night of, we want to get off on the right foot. Had the Vikings taken the lead at some point, the gloves woulda been off and we woulda opened up the playbook a lot more. Either way, shoulda, coulda, woulda doesn't play into it. He did what was asked of him and about the only boner play was the wide open miss on the goaline to Lee... can't complain much

[Scott Campbell]

Maybe so, but you are overvaluing completion %.

Completion percentage is a big part of the West Coast offense. Dinking and dunking is a big part of the West Coast offense. I don't think you should devalue the Rodgers performance because he played within the offense. That's his job.

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2 of the 4 incompletions were fucking throw away for god sakes.

I don't know whats more unreal. That stat, or that people still continue to say it was a "solid" performance.

Maybe so, but you are overvaluing completion %. A couple of Rodgers completions were bad decisions in which he checked down rather than make a riskier throw. There was a pass or two for a loss, and two or three more that gained under 5 yards. Most quarterbacks in this league can dink and dunk with a high completion percentage.

Rodgers was playing very conservatively last night in order to build up a rhythm and not turn off the fan base with a big interception. However, if we are up against a high scoring offense, he'll need to take more risks down field in order to keep pace. That'll hurt his completion percentage but put more points on the board.

Points are what count, not completions. Rodgers got the job done last night, but it took him 5 downs to score that TD pass and he had trouble maintaining drives in the 2nd half. That's why Rodgers was "solid but not spectacular" as everyone keeps saying. McCarthy will have to unleash him and start calling consecutive 20-30 yard strikes before people will begin to recognize him as an elite caliber QB.

Are you high?

Rodgers was playing conservatively to not get the crowd against him?

I think he was playing some football last night. We went down the field plenty.

Most NFL quarterbacks have to play within the constraints of their system, what the coach is calling and what the defense is giving them. Maybe one or two QBs in this league don't care so much for systems, order and playing within themselves...............

I don't want riskier throws!! That doesnt make any sense. I want no turn over football with a little bit more consistent play calling and a few less ticky tack penalties.

Had that TD pass been two inches left or right either way, that would have been a tipped pass and who knows ... that LOOKED very risky as he was getting hit and backing away... threaded the needle.

Glad the crowd didnt get against him tho, heaven forbid Partial or PacoPete says something negative about him. lol

[MadtownPacker]

Forget completion %, M3 needs to let ARod fly. The big plays are just waiting to happen.

[Chevelle2]

2 of the 4 incompletions were fucking throw away for god sakes.

I don't know whats more unreal. That stat, or that people still continue to say it was a "solid" performance.

Maybe so, but you are overvaluing completion %. A couple of Rodgers completions were bad decisions in which he checked down rather than make a riskier throw. There was a pass or two for a loss, and two or three more that gained under 5 yards. Most quarterbacks in this league can dink and dunk with a high completion percentage.

Rodgers was playing very conservatively last night in order to build up a rhythm and not turn off the fan base with a big interception. However, if we are up against a high scoring offense, he'll need to take more risks down field in order to keep pace. That'll hurt his completion percentage but put more points on the board.

Points are what count, not completions. Rodgers got the job done last night, but it took him 5 downs to score that TD pass and he had trouble maintaining drives in the 2nd half. That's why Rodgers was "solid but not spectacular" as everyone keeps saying. McCarthy will have to unleash him and start calling consecutive 20-30 yard strikes before people will begin to recognize him as an elite caliber QB.

Are you high?

Rodgers was playing conservatively to not get the crowd against him?

Yeah didn't you hear? Thats what Montana and Brady did.........

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Rodgers was playing very conservatively last night in order to build up a rhythm and not turn off the fan base with a big interception.

I seriously doubt he was checking down to pander to the fan base. He was playing within the West Coast offense.

I agree to a point.. but I also feel it was a night of, we want to get off on the right foot. Had the Vikings taken the lead at some point, the gloves woulda been off and we woulda opened up the playbook a lot more. Either way, shoulda, coulda, woulda doesn't play into it. He did what was asked of him and about the only boner play was the wide open miss on the goaline to Lee... can't complain much

Exactly.

But in the NFL that equates directly to WIN

Nothing else matters. To the Packers, to Rodgers, MM, me, you, your sister (she's hot btw) and the strange indian girl at the bar last night who couldnt even speak english but was screaming wildly for every Packer play... I eventually had to get up and give her a couple high fives (she's gotta work on those too)

[mraynrand]

Maybe so, but you are overvaluing completion.

Completion percentage is a big part of the West Coast offense. Dinking and dunking is a big part of the West Coast offense. I don't think you should devalue the Rodgers performance because he played within the offense. That's his job.

Absolutely correct. Plus, he doesn't get that bullshit reversal of the Driver TD, his stats look outstanding. The point is that it was a really good first start against a tough opponent that spent ($) the entire offseason figuring out a way to beat THIS team. They failed, and a lot of that is due to Rodgers very fine performance, including the 8 runs.

[boiga]

Isn't this what we begged Favre to do so much? Check down?

Yes, but that's not the point. Last night Rodgers did his part of a team effort. He didn't win the game for us. He wasn't asked to either, so that is no fault of his.

But eventually we are going to need that 4th quarter drive. Until Rodgers wins a couple of games by the strength of his arm, he won't (and shouldn't) get the major respect. I think he can do it, but he has to prove it to the world.

[Chevelle2]

Isn't this what we begged Favre to do so much? Check down?

Yes, but that's not the point. Last night Rodgers did his part of a team effort. He didn't win the game for us. He wasn't asked to either, so that is no fault of his.

But eventually we are going to need that 4th quarter drive. Until Rodgers wins a couple of games by the strength of his arm, he won't (and shouldn't) get the major respect. I think he can do it, but he has to prove it to the world.

How do you know on the last drive, instead of checking down to Driver, Favre doesn't sling a pick?

[Pacopete4]

Isn't this what we begged Favre to do so much? Check down?

Yes, but that's not the point. Last night Rodgers did his part of a team effort. He didn't win the game for us. He wasn't asked to either, so that is no fault of his.

But eventually we are going to need that 4th quarter drive. Until Rodgers wins a couple of games by the strength of his arm, he won't (and shouldn't) get the major respect. I think he can do it, but he has to prove it to the world.

I think this is spot on..

[Pacopete4]

Rodgers was playing very conservatively last night in order to build up a rhythm and not turn off the fan base with a big interception.

I seriously doubt he was checking down to pander to the fan base. He was playing within the West Coast offense.

I agree to a point.. but I also feel it was a night of, we want to get off on the right foot. Had the Vikings taken the lead at some point, the gloves woulda been off and we woulda opened up the playbook a lot more. Either way, shoulda, coulda, woulda doesn't play into it. He did what was asked of him and about the only boner play was the wide open miss on the goaline to Lee... can't complain much

Exactly.

But in the NFL that equates directly to WIN

Nothing else matters. To the Packers, to Rodgers, MM, me, you, your sister (she's hot btw) and the strange indian girl at the bar last night who couldnt even speak english but was screaming wildly for every Packer play... I eventually had to get up and give her a couple high fives (she's gotta work on those too)

I agree Mission.. I want the Packers to win.. don't be like Harrell please?... I haven't said anything bad about Rodgers, just analyzing his play like everyone else.

ps. no sister here..

[boiga]

Maybe so, but you are overvaluing completion.

Completion percentage is a big part of the West Coast offense. Dinking and dunking is a big part of the West Coast offense. I don't think you should devalue the Rodgers performance because he played within the offense. That's his job.

I'm not devaluing it. I think Rodgers was good last night. But we can't get ahead of ourselves yet. If Rodgers maintains this level of production through out his career, he'll be consistently in the top 10 QB's in the league.

But he'll never be the MVP. That requires better play under more duress than he faced last night. Rodgers was good. I want stellar.

What can I say, I've got high expectations of the kid.

[Pacopete4]

Maybe so, but you are overvaluing completion.

Completion percentage is a big part of the West Coast offense. Dinking and dunking is a big part of the West Coast offense. I don't think you should devalue the Rodgers performance because he played within the offense. That's his job.

I'm not devaluing it. I think Rodgers was good last night. But we can't get ahead of ourselves yet. If Rodgers maintains this level of production through out his career, he'll be consistently in the top 10 QB's in the league.

But he'll never be the MVP. That requires better play under more duress than he faced last night. Rodgers was good. I want stellar.

What can I say, I've got high expectations of the kid.

And you should. We gave up a season or more of Favre for him to play, we all should have high expectations.. we did with Favre and we should with him. And the fact that he was a 1st round pick, he should be talented.. I just hope I see more W's like last night to come

[Chevelle2]

But he'll never be the MVP.

I'll take 3 Superbowls and 0 MVPs over 1 Super Bowl and 3 MVPs.

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But he'll never be the MVP.

I'll take 3 Superbowls and 0 MVPs over 1 Super Bowl and 3 MVPs.

You sir, are not an idiot.