Studs and Duds

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It's an incredible toss but he threw it a second or so too late. The ball would not have been picked off a fraction of a second sooner. As it was, there was certainly the shot for the INT.

Like I said, I'd be critical of any QB with that toss. Good, but not incredible as I went in expecting. That said, I doubt too many guys can chuck it that far. That's an absolute bear of an arm.

[mraynrand]

Isn't that the worst part? I just watched it. Jennings had to slow WAY down reducing the chance to catch it. Lucky for us Jennings is an absolute beast and will get that ball more often than not.

Give me a break. He threw it 66 yards in the air. There are QBs in the NFL QB Challenge that can't throw it that far and in bounds--much less in a live game putting it within good range for your receiver to make a play. It was a great throw. Arm strength + accuracy on such a deep ball. Did you want him to pull a Mike Vick and throw it out of the stadium?

Yep, it was a very nice ball. Still, you gotta watch Jennings on that play - he runs this great pattern to lure the safety inside jumping on a crossing route and then goes deep, using his body to shield the D-back. even with the great grab, Jennings really helped Rodgers on that play with a great route.

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Man, if you don't remember tons of Brett Favre long balls coming up short (and sometimes INT) then you just spent too much time in class ...

The first thought I had was ... wow, he still gave him a chance to make a play. I thought FOR SURE that there would be a safety coming over to catch it hanging ... i was just used to that. brett could throw a cannon but he didnt always have the right touch on the long ball... not like a marino had ...

very impressive play... jennings moreso but hey, you gotta give playmakers a chance to make plays. that's what they do.

jennings vs some guy who's a DB because he probably wasnt natural enough with the ball?

ill take my chances with jennings.. fukkin beast!

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Favre doesn't throw a good deep ball so I doubt he would have put it right on the numbers either.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Yep, it was a very nice ball. Still, you gotta watch Jennings on that play - he runs this great pattern to lure the safety inside jumping on a crossing route and then goes deep, using his body to shield the D-back. even with the great grab, Jennings really helped Rodgers on that play with a great route.

Agreed. It was a fantastic route and a great catch, but let's not minimize the throw. I just watched the replay on the NFL Network's rebroadcast of the game. They showed the play from about 6 different angles. You can tell that Rodgers threw the ball at the right time. He had to give Jennings a chance to set up the safety. I believe Jennings did a slant (medium distance) and go. Great route to sell the slant and then hauled ass on the go. You also could tell that he threw about 66 yards and that Jared Allen would have blindsided him if he held the ball much longer.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I didn't hear anybody get nit-picky on Favre's throw to Jennings last year against Oakland. It was one-on-one coverage. Brett threw it from his own 14 to the Oakland 43 (43 yards) and he underthrew it. I didn't criticize the throw because he gave his playmaker a chance. There was nothing to get nit-picky about ARod's throw on Monday night.

You can go here to see what I'm talking about:

http://www.nfl.com/videos?categoryId=teams

Select Green Bay > Greg Jennings > 2007
You'll see "Greg Jennings Highlight, WK17 vs. Raiders"

Last year, I specifically pointed out Brett's throws at KC and at Denver to point out that he still had good arm strength.

The throw in KC went from the 31 to KC's 21 (48 yards).

The throw on Monday Night (which was a phenomenal throw) went from his own 11 to Denver's 37 (52 yards). This ball by Rodgers traveled about 14 yards further than the Denver throw. Seriously, that's good arm strength.

[mraynrand]

I didn't hear anybody get nit-picky on Favre's throw to Jennings last year against Oakland. It was one-on-one coverage. Brett threw it from his own 14 to the Oakland 43 (43 yards) and he underthrew it. I didn't criticize the throw because he gave his playmaker a chance. There was nothing to get nit-picky about ARod's throw on Monday night.

You can go here to see what I'm talking about:

http://www.nfl.com/videos?categoryId=teams

Select Green Bay > Greg Jennings > 2007
You'll see "Greg Jennings Highlight, WK17 vs. Raiders"

Last year, I specifically pointed out Brett's throws at KC and at Denver to point out that he still had good arm strength.

The throw in KC went from the 31 to KC's 21 (48 yards).

The throw on Monday Night (which was a phenomenal throw) went from his own 11 to Denver's 37 (52 yards). This ball by Rodgers traveled about 14 yards further than the Denver throw. Seriously, that's good arm strength.

Rodgers threw a nice ball. It was pretty clear they were going to go after the corner and he launched up a strong throw for Jennings to go get. If he was trying to throw it i stride and lead Jennings, it wasn't a great accurate throw. If he was putting it up there for Jennings to go get, it was a good throw, showing well-above NFL average arm strength. My first reaction was thinking back to Walker going to get one of Favre's throws in the that Dec 22, 2003 game, or a jump ball that Moss might grab. I see it as good read on the play, good throw, great catch. I just think that Jennings was more the star on that play than Rodgers, while still giving Rodgers credit for the read and for a throw not many could make (honestly, I'm pretty sure Favre can't throw it 65 yards in the air anymore). (If you go backto the K.C. and Denver games last year, the throws were good, the catches were good, and the reads - especially in K.C. were good)

[Noodle]

I gotta say, I don't care whether Favre can throw it 60 or 600 yards. Last I checked, he doesn't play for the Pack anymore.

I do care that A-Rod can make the kind of throw he made to Jennings. That's a scary weapon to have in your arsenal, and the Pack can use it to punish teams that try to sit on the slants that have been the bread and butter of the offense.

And I love that Jennings has the talent to pull it in. You add in Jones, and we have some serious vertical threats. Not the Willie Gault kind of phantom threat, but guys who can actually get a step and adjust to the ball, then fight like a beast to bring it down.

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65 yds in the air? I would think just about any NFL QB can do that - my University QB did it. Kyle Boller, JP Losman, Akili Smith and Rex Grossman can all do it.The question is more do you want them to.

Does he know when he should do it - the QB has to read the coverage, and guess where everyone will be a second and a half later (or however long the ball is in the air). You have to have the WR personnel to go and get the ball. Moss and Cunningham made a living underthrowing balls that Moss came back for, turning the DB around.

I think in pass plays like this often come about because the WR goes back to the huddle and tells the QB he's got the DB's number, and the QB and whoever is calling the plays believes him.

[HarveyWallbangers]

65 yds in the air? I would think just about any NFL QB can do that - my University QB did it. Kyle Boller, JP Losman, Akili Smith and Rex Grossman can all do it.The question is more do you want them to.

Have you ever watched one of those things? Many of the QBs couldn't throw it 65 yards. You'd think they can, but they don't.

Doing a little research.

In 2006, Byron Leftwich won with a 73 yard throw.

In 1998, Favre threw it 76 yards and that was a record at the time.

Couldn't find much else. I know Cunningham had one that was close to 80 yards early in his career, but he threw it out of bounds. That dude had a crazy arm on deep balls.

Being able to throw in those things without a huge windup and without somebody about to crush you is different than throwing it 66 yards in a game. It's impressive. You don't see it too often in a game. I'd guess if Rodgers could throw it 66 yards in a game, he could add several yards in the QB challenge competition where he'd have several throws and would be able to wind up. That would put him amongst the best in that competition. Who knows though? Maybe he threw the ball further than he's ever thrown it.

[Guiness]

65 yds in the air? I would think just about any NFL QB can do that - my University QB did it. Kyle Boller, JP Losman, Akili Smith and Rex Grossman can all do it.The question is more do you want them to.

Being able to throw in those things without a huge windup and without somebody about to crush you is different than throwing it 66 yards in a game. It's impressive. You don't see it too often in a game. I'd guess if Rodgers could throw it 66 yards in a game, he could add several yards in the QB challenge competition where he'd have several throws and would be able to wind up. That would put him amongst the best in that competition. Who knows though? Maybe he threw the ball further than he's ever thrown it.

You're quite right, and that was kind of my point - many can do it (in practice) but you don't want them to in a game for various reasons. But what you said - do it w/o a windup, and making sure you've got your arms down to cover your ribs for the shot you're about to take from a 300lb DT...is probably quite true. The list gets shorter in those conditions.

Yet more proof game tape is more important than the combine for drafting.

BTW what did you mean by 'one of those things?' A QB competition?

[Chevelle2]

65 yds in the air? I would think just about any NFL QB can do that - my University QB did it. Kyle Boller, JP Losman, Akili Smith and Rex Grossman can all do it.The question is more do you want them to.

Have you ever watched one of those things? Many of the QBs couldn't throw it 65 yards. You'd think they can, but they don't.

Doing a little research.

In 2006, Byron Leftwich won with a 73 yard throw.

In 1998, Favre threw it 76 yards and that was a record at the time.

Couldn't find much else. I know Cunningham had one that was close to 80 yards early in his career, but he threw it out of bounds. That dude had a crazy arm on deep balls.

Being able to throw in those things without a huge windup and without somebody about to crush you is different than throwing it 66 yards in a game. It's impressive. You don't see it too often in a game. I'd guess if Rodgers could throw it 66 yards in a game, he could add several yards in the QB challenge competition where he'd have several throws and would be able to wind up. That would put him amongst the best in that competition. Who knows though? Maybe he threw the ball further than he's ever thrown it.

I heard that Favre was rarely invited because they knew he would have just blown everyone away.

[mraynrand]

65 yds in the air? I would think just about any NFL QB can do that - my University QB did it. Kyle Boller, JP Losman, Akili Smith and Rex Grossman can all do it.The question is more do you want them to.

Have you ever watched one of those things? Many of the QBs couldn't throw it 65 yards. You'd think they can, but they don't.

Doing a little research.

In 2006, Byron Leftwich won with a 73 yard throw.

In 1998, Favre threw it 76 yards and that was a record at the time.

Couldn't find much else. I know Cunningham had one that was close to 80 yards early in his career, but he threw it out of bounds. That dude had a crazy arm on deep balls.

Being able to throw in those things without a huge windup and without somebody about to crush you is different than throwing it 66 yards in a game. It's impressive. You don't see it too often in a game. I'd guess if Rodgers could throw it 66 yards in a game, he could add several yards in the QB challenge competition where he'd have several throws and would be able to wind up. That would put him amongst the best in that competition. Who knows though? Maybe he threw the ball further than he's ever thrown it.

I watched the QB competition following the 1995 season. Favre was just launching the deep balls. I think he won with 70+ yards, but you are required to throw it deep and within a narrow margin. So after Favre had thrown his last competetive throw, the other guys kept handing him ball after ball and he was tossing them about 80-85 yards in the air - but out of bounds. I recall seeing Dan McGuire throw something 85 or so yards in the air during a preseason game for Seattle years ago,but the ball was way off the mark.

Rodgers' throw was a very nice, very strong, probably pretty accurate throw. The best thing about it is that it demonstrated, along with a number of his sideline throws, that there is no throw (that elite QBs in the league have) that he can't also make.

(edit: DAN McGuire)

[Rastak]

Packers with first year QB = STUDS

Fucking dirt queens with vet QB = DUDS


Hahaha. Fuck you queens.

HA fucking HA bitch queens.

It's what I love about PR....intelligent discourse mixed with a bipolar monkeydick!


Variety is the spice of life.

[Rastak]

Yep, it was a very nice ball. Still, you gotta watch Jennings on that play - he runs this great pattern to lure the safety inside jumping on a crossing route and then goes deep, using his body to shield the D-back. even with the great grab, Jennings really helped Rodgers on that play with a great route.

Agreed. It was a fantastic route and a great catch, but let's not minimize the throw. I just watched the replay on the NFL Network's rebroadcast of the game. They showed the play from about 6 different angles. You can tell that Rodgers threw the ball at the right time. He had to give Jennings a chance to set up the safety. I believe Jennings did a slant (medium distance) and go. Great route to sell the slant and then hauled ass on the go. You also could tell that he threw about 66 yards and that Jared Allen would have blindsided him if he held the ball much longer.

I haven't watched the replay on Tivo but I thought it was a great throw and a great catch. Gordon (if I recall) had nice coverage but Jennings made a really nice catch. Great concentration on a perfect throw.