Al Harris might hold out training camp.

[gureski]

Gureski, does that include adding major roster bonuses? Because according to the Wilde article that someone posted (that directly contradicts an article someone else posted) he wants 4-5 million dollar roster bonuses added and 1.2-1.5 million pro bowl incentives as well.

It can. Especially in cases where a team looking to rework the language for cap reasons. There was a great thread a year ago over at JS that talked about how the teams use certain bonus language to manipulate the cap.

In the case of Harris, moving pro-bowl bonuses into roster bonuses...regardless how much money that turns out to be, is the perfect example of what they could do for Harris without feeling like they've opened Pandora's Box. To create a multi-million dollar roster bonus meaning it's money that's not already written into the deal in some way shape or form is redoing the deal. I'm advocating they take money he's already got in writing and simply modify the language so that certain money that was only possible to attain would now be probable. I think if they did that this would blow over. He is in no position to get a redo or any money that's not already written into the deal. He's just looking for something and the tweaking of bonus language may be the answer for both parties to come away feeling good.

[Harlan Huckleby]

With Harris, you have a proven commodity and an established market for what he's worth. The only factor with Harris that is in the way is the fact that he signed the 6 year deal! You can't let a guy sign a long-term deal and

Oh hell, I don't care if HArris signed a 20 year deal yesterday. If his deal is way out of line, redo it.

Do you think Harris is greatly underpaid?

[MJZiggy]

(If Harris doesn't think that could happen to him, he should give his former teammate Mike McKenzie a call.)

So when Harris rolls out current king of the hackneyed cliche' -- "It is what it is" -- Harris needs to be sure he understands what the "is" really "is" before he "is" in position to be paying back a lot of money that already "is" in his bank account.

And if that happens, it won't be long before Mrs. Harris "is" knee deep in Al's ass.

I believe I've made my position on PFT pretty clear, but this part is funny.

[Dabaddestbear]

Funny how Karma works.

Yeah, funny.

Carolina did not match the offer for Manning, who was arrested for suspicion of assault Sunday night in Los Angeles after an altercation at a restaurant.

Yeah you telling me...lol.

I haven't read much on this lately. Do you and the folks in Chicago think he could do jail time? Wasn't he already on probation?

It's no BIG deal Scott acording to Manning:

The court date to set a preliminary hearing for an assault charge on cornerback Ricky Manning Jr. was pushed from Wednesday to July 6. Manning has pleaded not guilty to the felony charge.

"I'm not really worried about the charge," Manning said.

Some fans think he should do time, others dont care if he beat an Old lady on her death bed as long as he produces on the field. I have come to realize a long time ago fans will defend and/or forget players as long as they produce on the field. With that said I have beat up a many of cats in my day for mouthing off and it was always desrved no matter what they tell someboady else. Did I deserve jail time because of that? No.

If every time we wupped somebody we got sent to jail there would be plenty of empty football stadiums on sunday, especially after a lost by our favorite team and some irratating mockery by some geek fan of the oppising team in the bar beside you.

[woodbuck27]

"I have beat up a many of cats in my day" Dabaddestbear

That's it !! Your outa here now !

We do NOT. . . . condone cruelty to animals on this Forum.

Bears should pick on bears. . . not cats

[HarveyWallbangers]

From Bears Camp:

Unhappy with his contract and frustrated by persistent trade rumors, RB Thomas Jones stayed away from voluntary workouts, prompting speculation that Jones was digging in for a lengthy holdout. But he arrived at Halas Hall as scheduled on June 1 to undergo a physical before the start of a three-day minicamp. Jones still wants his contract addressed. He switched agents after the season, from Tom Condon to Drew Rosenhaus, and was not taking part in the offseason program.

Here's what I don't get: Jones was a high draft pick with the Cardinals. For many years, he was basically a bust. He did get cut a couple of times, but he also made more than his worth because the cap hit would have been too large for the Cards to cut him sooner. I don't think Jones gave back any of that money. I can see a player wanting to renegotiate a REALLY bad contract, but Jones should feel lucky that he found the right situation, and realize he's been paid more than he's produced in his career. Sure, teams can cut players, but the players signing bonus is the guaranteed money, so they have no right to call foul a couple of years later when their base salary is low.