10 Questions for our Packer Team for this Season???

[SnakeLH2006]

This is a topic on this season only, future or not....

1) Number one is Arod looked damn solid and confident. This guy will not lose games, but will win games as he gains experience. The one thing I noticed if you look at his stats was this....take away the long bomb to Jennings (regardless 18 completions for 178 yards means 17 for 121 for 6 yards a catch... I ain't ripping the young man, but that does not mean consistent 1st downs....aka meager points....yea he's young but that does not mean big points so dont' get it twisted that he was 18-22 when you dump it off mostly...that means meager points) Don't get your panties all moist JH cuz I ain't ripping him but Favre would go for first downs more often meaning TD's) Completions are great,but we need more 1st downs. Don't get me wrong, I'm not on Favre's nuts about this but big plays and TD's and first downs win games (Does Brett/Can Brett do this now maybe but that just shows his legendary status at 39..wow that is fucked up...just saying even the best..Brady, Manning are 31 and 32 are are sure for a decline s you can't just throw up random deep balls over 20 yards and hope for a big play unless ya got Randy. I support Arod just asking are we gonna get this all year?) Consistency?
2) Jenkins was a man-beast and I hope he can keep that up for a bit before he gets worn down. Let's hope he doesn't get hurt. Can he play the part for a full season?
3) Old ass KGJ showed some speed in his limited action. Can he beat his age/gimpy knee?
4) Our scratch-patch O-Line held up. Will we get better when dudes get healthy?
5) Regardless of Grant (he makes big plays thus the money) will Lumpkin or B. Jack step up and have a big season?
6) I'm confident in Wood, but will Al decline this year (he's 34 and who steps up)? (I met Al once and had two HUGE packer buddies meet him with reporter type cred and said he's a TO ass-clown with a big ego....I don't really care but can't imagine him a Packer in 2 years from now)?
7) If Arod gets hurt (big iffff...but can we beat anyone with our rook QB's)?
8) Driver still looks the part (that long TD proved it that was called back) but does Jennings surpass DD as our go to guy? (I think so)
9) Who is our biggest challenge for the NFC (Dallas obviously)?
10) Every fucking team needs two solid RB's nowadays. Is B Jack the man (looked like ass in game 1) or Lumpy (that dude looks the gamer)??

Feel free to answer your takes on those questions and add your own aka #11, #12, etc. Huge Packer fan here, but #1 needs some seasoning, I think Arod will do well, but as a young QB he needs to look downfield a little bit more or we will be scratching low-scoring dogfights all year for 7-9 wins. I love Arod, but that 18-22 was pretty misleading.

[channtheman]

Re: 10 Questions for our Packer Team for this Season???

I think yes and no to the Arod concern. I mean he should have had the 2 nice passes but the one TD was called back. Regardless, the way I look at his passing though is that he is playing it safe and only going for the deep ball when it is there, which I think is a great thing and very refreshing to see.

As for Bjack, yeah he looked like shit, but I've never thought highly of him. You watch Grant get the ball and he is moving forward and makes a cut and there he goes. Bjack gets the ball and it seems like he just stops. I doubt on that long run Grant had, that Bjack would have gotten even 10 yards.

I think Tramon Williams will step up as Al's replacement, hopefully he doesn't decline this year, but if he does I think Williams can step well.


Now I've got a question. Will Nick Collins keep starting, or does Aaron Rouse finally catch the coaches attention and get the start? I don't see much football instinct with Collins but Rouse almost always seems to make something happen when he is in the game. I think Rouse should be starting but maybe I'm missing something that Collins does. Does anyone care to enlighten me?

[SnakeLH2006]

Re: 10 Questions for our Packer Team for this Season???

I think yes and no to the Arod concern. I mean he should have had the 2 nice passes but the one TD was called back. Regardless, the way I look at his passing though is that he is playing it safe and only going for the deep ball when it is there, which I think is a great thing and very refreshing to see.

As for Bjack, yeah he looked like shit, but I've never thought highly of him. You watch Grant get the ball and he is moving forward and makes a cut and there he goes. Bjack gets the ball and it seems like he just stops. I doubt on that long run Grant had, that Bjack would have gotten even 10 yards.

I think Tramon Williams will step up as Al's replacement, hopefully he doesn't decline this year, but if he does I think Williams can step well.


Now I've got a question. Will Nick Collins keep starting, or does Aaron Rouse finally catch the coaches attention and get the start? I don't see much football instinct with Collins but Rouse almost always seems to make something happen when he is in the game. I think Rouse should be starting but maybe I'm missing something that Collins does. Does anyone care to enlighten me?

Good reply post...Here goes..

Arod is good and gets better, I only harped on the JH types that wanted to trouce inundated opinions. Arod throws a sweet, catchable deep ball but I want him to do better going for 12 yard posts for 1st downs at this point.

I liked/like BJack but TT was right as Grant can go from 12 carries for 35 yards then bust a huge one and make stat whores go nuts. I love Grant, just saying Lump might be a better option in 08 than BJack RIGHT NOW.

I love Tramon...I really do, but even at 34 Al is steady, but not the man-beast that many make him out to be....He was a beast 4-3-2 years ago but I think that anyone that knows the Pack knows it was a joke he made the PBowl this last year as he was better than average but was lockdown those other years. Wood has never gotten torched since he signed...slow as fuck like Al but so damn solid (Al gets whipped nowadays). TW will be good but never an Al tho.

I was a HUGE Rouse supporter and still am, but after the last TC game, I support Collins and he had the BEST game in that Vike game (knocking down passes and laying mofos out) than I EVER seen him. I'm willing to wait on Rouse, but like him, but Collins did really good last week.

[Patler]

Re: 10 Questions for our Packer Team for this Season???

1) Number one is Arod looked damn solid and confident. This guy will not lose games, but will win games as he gains experience. The one thing I noticed if you look at his stats was this....take away the long bomb to Jennings (regardless 18 completions for 178 yards means 17 for 121 for 6 yards a catch... I ain't ripping the young man, but that does not mean consistent 1st downs....aka meager points....yea he's young but that does not mean big points so dont' get it twisted that he was 18-22 when you dump it off mostly...that means meager points) Don't get your panties all moist JH cuz I ain't ripping him but Favre would go for first downs more often meaning TD's) Completions are great,but we need more 1st downs. Don't get me wrong, I'm not on Favre's nuts about this but big plays and TD's and first downs win games (Does Brett/Can Brett do this now maybe but that just shows his legendary status at 39..wow that is fucked up...just saying even the best..Brady, Manning are 31 and 32 are are sure for a decline s you can't just throw up random deep balls over 20 yards and hope for a big play unless ya got Randy. I support Arod just asking are we gonna get this all year?) Consistency?

I have lots of disagreements with that analysis or concern:

First - taking away the Jennings play, 17 for 121 is 7.1 yards per reception, not the 6 yards per catch that you said it is. There is a big difference between 6 and 7.1.

Second - Instead of taking away the longest, why not take away the shortest? The pass from the 1 yard line could gain no more than one yard. Take away that play and he had 17 completions for 177 yards, or 10.4 yards per reception, more than a first down and in the same ball park as Favre's stats his first few years.

Third - If you take away the longest and the shortest, you are left with 16 completions for 120 yards, or 7.5 yards per catch.

Fourth - Instead of ignoring either the longest or the shortest, why not include the completion to Driver in your analysis? After all, it was completed, and the penalty had little to do with the performance by Rodgers on the play. With that hypothetical he has 19 completions for 246 yards, or 12.9 yards per completion.

The real conclusion is that after just one game and only 22 attempts and 18 completions there is little to go on in determining tendencies and "averages". One play here or there alters the stats too significantly.

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I LOVE it when he does this! I missed you Patler!!!

[Bossman641]

Damn

Patler just murdered you with stats

[HarveyWallbangers]

Re: 10 Questions for our Packer Team for this Season???

(I met Al once and had two HUGE packer buddies meet him with reporter type cred and said he's a TO ass-clown with a big ego

I wouldn't worry too much. Most pro athletes have a little ass-clown in them. More than anything, it's pretty obvious that Al doesn't like reporters much. He's very skeptical of them--although he's relaxed over the last 2-3 years. The fact your friends had reporter type cred probably didn't make Al receive them to warmly.

[run pMc]

LOL 'patlerized'.

My first thoughts on the Rodgers comments...

even if we throw out the highest & lowest yardage plays and it comes to 16-20 for 120...so 6 YPA or 7.5 YPC. Let's say we go with the lower YPA stat. With an 80% completion rate that would suggest he could dink and dunk his way down the field with 6 yard completions. I know it's not very exciting but personally I have no problem with seeing GB march methodically down the field and wear down teams with 7 minutes drives. That can be pretty demoralizing for the opponent, and especially frustrating for the other team since it's hard for an offense to get into a rhythm when they are sitting on the sidelines.

(2) I saw Jenkins try some spin moves and things but I thought he played OK. I'd have to watch it again more closely.

(3) I hope KGB gets his legs back...he's an important part of the passrush.

(4) Good question. With a new QB the OL is a big concern for me this year.

(5) I think Lumpkin will pass BJack on the depth chart. I think BJack becomes the 3rd down back...our new Morency. I don't see the assertive cut-and-go from BJ when he gets the rock. Neither will have a "big" season, but I think both will do well in spot duty.

(6) The starting CB's must stay healthy and play well. I think Tramon is improving and could replace Al next year, but thought he got picked on a little bit Monday night. The rest look like 'just backups' to me. Something has to be done with this spot; Al and Chuck aren't going to get any younger or faster.

(7) I hope Rodgers stays healthy. I don't have much faith in the rookies...thus the added importance of a solid OL. Maybe that will change after Week 6 or Week 8 when the rooks have some more exposure to M3's system and coaching.

(8) Yes.

(9) DAL is the biggest challenge. I think CHI, PHI, and NO could have bounce back years. Hard to say after 1 week but there seem to be lots of contenders and pretenders lurking in the weeds.

(10) see #5.

My #11 -- the DLine. Will a #3 DT emerge, will the be productive, and will they stay healthy?

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Patlerized. Lol he dominated.

[HarveyWallbangers]

(2) I saw Jenkins try some spin moves and things but I thought he played OK. I'd have to watch it again more closely.

Watching the game, I thought he played solidly, but not great. However, there was an article on JSO that talked about how well he played. Also, McCarthy indicated that Jenkins would get a game ball. Apparently, he played pretty darn well.

[mmmdk]

Awesome, Patler!

[boiga]

Re: 10 Questions for our Packer Team for this Season???

6) I'm confident in Wood, but will Al decline this year (he's 34 and who steps up)? (I met Al once and had two HUGE packer buddies meet him with reporter type cred and said he's a TO ass-clown with a big ego....I don't really care but can't imagine him a Packer in 2 years from now)?

I see it the other way around. Al had a tremendous game against the vikings. Sure T-Jack was off on his passes, but Al was exactly where he needed to be to keep Berrian out of the game. After he got that misscall for pass interference thanks to his past reputation, Al hung all over Berrian and never let him get close to the ball again. Also, he was much better in Run D than I remember him being last year. Sure AP got that monster hit on him, but Al did slow him long enough for the cavalry to arrive and force Peterson out of bounds. Then in the 4th corner, he made a stellar open field tackle where he flipped Peterson (who has a 50 lb advantage on him) out of bounds with a wrestling move. The dirtyone looks better this season then last actually.

I'm more worried about C-Wood. I'm sure he can play with a broken toe, but the level of play concerns me. He's the guy that lost containment when Peterson broke that big run in the first half and he almost did it again in the 4th quarter when he just barely was able to change momentum enough to trip Peterson up by the laces. It was an acrobatic move by Chuck, but it wouldn't have been necessary if he hadn't been out juked by Peterson. I really think the toe came into play there because he should have been able to plant his foot and make the tackle, which would have stopped a first down in that long 4th quarter drive.

These foot injuries of Chuck's are becoming more and more worrisome every season. Eventually they are going to catch up to him. But from what we've seen so far this year, Al is an ageless wonder. I expect a better season for him this year.

[Pugger]

I liked the way Al tackled AP later in the game and set him on his rear.

Wood won't be the last guy to lose containment on AP. Woodson had a TD saving tackle in the open field Monday night (I can't remember who he tackled and what qter it was).

[Tarlam!]

LOL 'patlerized'.

I wanna claim this as having coined the expression. I was the first to say it!! IIRC.