Let's be fair: Rodgers was ready

[Zool]

Is is cheating to say Elway?

Elway didn't exactly fail with his "original" Broncos teams. He didn't win any SB's, but at least he got his teams to a bunch of them.

Yeah, but how did Elway do for the team who drafted him #1 overall (the Baltimore Colts)?

Thats where I was headed with it. He sucked for the Colts. Never even got in a game.

[MOBB DEEP]

nfl season is a marathon, not a sprint...

What does that have to do with Aaron Rodgers being a capable quarterback, Mr Irrelevant?

means that, like josh howard, i dont celebrate the national athem

actually, it means i hope arod continues to shine when going against teams that have scouted him well as the season progresses. DAYUM, thats not rocket science


obama 08...

[Gunakor]

Is is cheating to say Elway?

Elway didn't exactly fail with his "original" Broncos teams. He didn't win any SB's, but at least he got his teams to a bunch of them.

Yeah, but how did Elway do for the team who drafted him #1 overall (the Baltimore Colts)?

He didn't play a single game for them. So one cannot say he failed on a Colts team because he never took the field with them. Elways initial team in the NFL was the Denver Broncos, as that was the first team in the NFL that Elway actually played for.

[Gunakor]

Is is cheating to say Elway?

Elway didn't exactly fail with his "original" Broncos teams. He didn't win any SB's, but at least he got his teams to a bunch of them.

Yeah, but how did Elway do for the team who drafted him #1 overall (the Baltimore Colts)?

Thats where I was headed with it. He sucked for the Colts. Never even got in a game.

He didn't suck for the Colts. He bitched about going to the Colts before he was even drafted. He said he'd just go play baseball if the Colts didn't deal him. He never even suited up for them, so you can't say he sucked for the Colts. He didn't PLAY for the Colts, and it had nothing to do with his ability as a QB. It was simply his unwillingness to wear a Colts uniform.

[Noodle]

How's about Rich Gannon?

I guess he wasn't all that highly touted coming out (4th round pick by the Pats, who wanted him to be a DB I think), but he did end up being a league MVP and a 3-time all pro with the Raiders after bouncing around with the Vikes, Chiefs, and Skins.

[Zool]

Is is cheating to say Elway?

Elway didn't exactly fail with his "original" Broncos teams. He didn't win any SB's, but at least he got his teams to a bunch of them.

Yeah, but how did Elway do for the team who drafted him #1 overall (the Baltimore Colts)?

Thats where I was headed with it. He sucked for the Colts. Never even got in a game.

He didn't suck for the Colts. He bitched about going to the Colts before he was even drafted. He said he'd just go play baseball if the Colts didn't deal him. He never even suited up for them, so you can't say he sucked for the Colts. He didn't PLAY for the Colts, and it had nothing to do with his ability as a QB. It was simply his unwillingness to wear a Colts uniform.

I swear my sarcasm output is broken. I thought I was being obvious.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I can't think of any examples of highly touted QB's that failed with their initial team, only to do well somewhere else. All the first round flameouts I can think of never had a resurgence.

I think Steve Young falls into that category. He was highly touted, and Tampa Bay drafted him but gave up on him after two seasons, one as their starter. He sat for most of four seasons in SF, playing only as a backup until finally taking over for Montana and forging an 8 season career as their starter good enough to earn him a spot in the HOF

I dont' want to quibble, but let's not forget that he came to the Bucs after 2 years in the USFL. He was the first player taken in the supplemental draft..and after two years they drafted Vinnie..which pretty much told everyone what they thought of him.

However, while the Bucs may have viewed him as a bust..obviously the Niners didnt' think so..or the Bucs were very trade savvy..i'm inclined to think the former since the Bucs were so poorly run back then. The Niners gave up a 2nd and a 4th for him...that is a pretty hefty price to pay for a backup.

[Patler]

I can't think of any examples of highly touted QB's that failed with their initial team, only to do well somewhere else. All the first round flameouts I can think of never had a resurgence.

I think Steve Young falls into that category. He was highly touted, and Tampa Bay drafted him but gave up on him after two seasons, one as their starter. He sat for most of four seasons in SF, playing only as a backup until finally taking over for Montana and forging an 8 season career as their starter good enough to earn him a spot in the HOF

I dont' want to quibble, but let's not forget that he came to the Bucs after 2 years in the USFL. He was the first player taken in the supplemental draft..and after two years they drafted Vinnie..which pretty much told everyone what they thought of him.

However, while the Bucs may have viewed him as a bust..obviously the Niners didnt' think so..or the Bucs were very trade savvy..i'm inclined to think the former since the Bucs were so poorly run back then. The Niners gave up a 2nd and a 4th for him...that is a pretty hefty price to pay for a backup.

Quibble? You are agreeing with me, aren't you?
Young was very highly tauted, and the Bucs paniced when he through a few interceptions his second season, so they jetisoned him.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I can't think of any examples of highly touted QB's that failed with their initial team, only to do well somewhere else. All the first round flameouts I can think of never had a resurgence.

I think Steve Young falls into that category. He was highly touted, and Tampa Bay drafted him but gave up on him after two seasons, one as their starter. He sat for most of four seasons in SF, playing only as a backup until finally taking over for Montana and forging an 8 season career as their starter good enough to earn him a spot in the HOF

I dont' want to quibble, but let's not forget that he came to the Bucs after 2 years in the USFL. He was the first player taken in the supplemental draft..and after two years they drafted Vinnie..which pretty much told everyone what they thought of him.

However, while the Bucs may have viewed him as a bust..obviously the Niners didnt' think so..or the Bucs were very trade savvy..i'm inclined to think the former since the Bucs were so poorly run back then. The Niners gave up a 2nd and a 4th for him...that is a pretty hefty price to pay for a backup.

Quibble? You are agreeing with me, aren't you?
Young was very highly tauted, and the Bucs paniced when he through a few interceptions his second season, so they jetisoned him.

I just meant that it wasnt' really his first team.

The bucs...well everything they did sucked. Until Culverhouse died, very few players or coaches could succeed.

[Sparkey]

Rodgers quote of:

"I think some of my success can be attributed not only to my work ethic that I put in the offseason," Rodgers said, "but [also] really the three years of growth that I've been able to learn behind one of the greatest quarterback to ever lace them up. And to not really have any pressure on me for three years to learn the offense and also defenses. I think you're kind of seeing that by-product."


reinforces the argument that rookie quarterbacks need to come into the NFL and sit, absorb, and learn the system and the new level of football before they assume a starting position.

There are too many rookie quarterbacks who have had to start in front of mediocre or lousy teams who have had their careers stunted because they were not ready to start. I am talking about the stunted careers of David Carr, Akili Smith, Joey Harrington, Alex Smith, Tim Couch and so on.

Though he appears to be talented, the same stunted fate may happen to rookie QB Matt Ryan.

For Alex Smith, it was a triple jerk off for him. First he has gets thrown into a horrible O-line situation his rookie year and then has to deal with three successive OC changes and with it, differing offenses.

How the hell can a rookie QB learn an offense, learn to pickup the speed of the nfl game and learn to read defenses when he is constatnly having to learn an offensive scheme every year ?

[NewsBruin]

It's not just Rogers patiently waiting.

Going back to a story from a newspaper in a Midwest city whose name sort of rhymes with "Kill Hockey", Rogers spent the last few years creating coverage reports for the QB meetings and running the opponents'/Packers' plays on the scout team, then attended the 6-hour-a-day offseason QB meetings.

It was an opportunity for Rogers to work his ass off and prep mentally for taking real snaps. That's credit to MM for treating his backup as more than an afterthought. It also shows they had plans for him from a while back.

If Rogers had to cram for the weekly gameplan and play from the get-go, he would have flamed out.

[ahaha]

Rodgers quote of:

"I think some of my success can be attributed not only to my work ethic that I put in the offseason," Rodgers said, "but [also] really the three years of growth that I've been able to learn behind one of the greatest quarterback to ever lace them up. And to not really have any pressure on me for three years to learn the offense and also defenses. I think you're kind of seeing that by-product."


reinforces the argument that rookie quarterbacks need to come into the NFL and sit, absorb, and learn the system and the new level of football before they assume a starting position.

There are too many rookie quarterbacks who have had to start in front of mediocre or lousy teams who have had their careers stunted because they were not ready to start. I am talking about the stunted careers of David Carr, Akili Smith, Joey Harrington, Alex Smith, Tim Couch and so on.

Though he appears to be talented, the same stunted fate may happen to rookie QB Matt Ryan.

Most of those guys got chances, later in their careers, to sit on the bench and learn. Somehow they didn't develop their "talent" then. Maybe they just sucked. Maybe scouts aren't always right in their evaluation of QB's.

Maybe by the time they had the chance to sit on the bench after early demoralizing years, these guys have lost their confidence. In addition, the coaches have lost confidence in the QB's abilities and don't want to give them needed coaching, practice reps, etc.

I can see why you bring up "confidence". That is what we hear from sports journalists every time a high pick QB flames out. What the hell do those guys know about it? Are they qualified psychiatrists examining each case closely? No, they're trying to make an excuse as to why the guy they thought would be good, really isn't.
Confidence can be gained.
Every single guy you mentioned got another chance with a different team. You can bet that every single new coach thought, "This guy has talent. He wasn't in the right situation. He could be a real diamond for us." They all had plenty of opportunities to show something. In the end they showed the real reason for their lack of success. They sucked! (except for maybe, Couch. His career ended through injuries.)

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[Harlan Huckleby]

that article will be irritating to some so should be moved to the garbage can.

Why would anybody other than a Vikings fan, a Bears fan, or a Lions fan find this article irritating?

The post I made was deleted. (the single line of sarcasm that Gunakor replied to.)

It seems that censorship is now the way this forum will deal with any uncomfortable opinion.

[Scott Campbell]

It seems that censorship is now the way this forum will deal with any uncomfortable opinion.

It could be worse Harlan.

I like little boys.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Censorship and moving threads should be done as a last resort. Not as a way to demonstrate total authority. I guess this is RetailGuy on the loose?