T-Jack Benched

[Zool]

I call Booty Time in week 12.

[Tony Oday]

Jump pass is not a NFL QB plain and simple. This move makes the Vikes better.

[Scott Campbell]

I don't really see this as much of an upgrade. It's not like Ferotte's going to tear it up or something. It's not like he was ever that good, and he's old as dirt.

Mngolf, Rastak, what do you guys think?

What he can do is throw downfield. He's 37 and the writers say his arm is very strong. He will complete many more passes than Jackson. He just won't move much, and may throw more picks due to more throws downfield and his lack of playing time recently. Jackson due to his own limitation or Chilly's was not allowed to throw downfield unless he could guarantee no pick. Not turning the ball over was foremost in both their minds and caused ultra-conservative efforts in passing. They won't be conservative now. But Frerotte needs a little time to get back into it and therefore that worries me. But no doubt in my mind that Jackson currently has not improved enough to get them where they want to go this year. So whether Frerotte can or not, he has the potential at least to be the caretaker the Vikes need this season.

Jackson was awful. Ferotte is a journeyman. This is a major upgrade for the Vikings. Now he gets to try and salvage this season, and save Chilly's job. Desperate move? Yes. The right move? Probably.

You're going to miss all those picks you traded for Jared Allen next year when you go into the draft needing to select the QB of the future once again.

[Lurker64]

What might be a problem is that Frerotte is a lot less mobile than Jackson. A lot of plays in the Green Bay and the Indianapolis games Jackson was able to avoid pressure just due to his quickness and athleticism. With McKinnie being out against Carolina and Tennessee (and Ryan Cook really having no business playing tackle), Frerotte is going to get hit a lot.

So we might see Jackson again soon.

You're going to miss all those picks you traded for Jared Allen next year when you go into the draft needing to select the QB of the future once again.

Well, they only traded away 2008 picks, not 2009 picks so they have all their picks slated for 2009. Though, if you mean "the guys they would have taken with the picks they gave up for Allen", then possibly. By all accounts they would have taken a pass rushing DE with the first pick and third round picks don't come with any guarantees.

[packers11]

pft.com

CHILDRESS SAYS FREROTTE WILL START FOR REST OF SEASON
Posted by Michael David Smith on September 17, 2008, 3:24 p.m.

Vikings coach Brad Childress has spoken, and he’s made clear that he doesn’t expect Tarvaris Jackson to get off the bench any time soon.

Childress said that barring injury, Gus Frerotte is the Vikings’ starting quarterback for the rest of the season.

“I feel like we have an opportunity here that I don’t want to let pass by,” Childress said. “Obviously we have a chance to have a successful season and I think so we don’t let things potentially slip away, what we’re doing is I’m going to make a change at quarterback.”

Childress claims, however, that Jackson still has a chance to become the Vikings’ starter some day.

“It does not have to be a death knell for Tarvaris Jackson,” Childress said. “There are many quarterbacks in this league that have experienced bumps in the road, if you will. It’s part of the experience factor and while I know he doesn’t like it, I’d worry about him if he did like it, I know he’ll make the most of it.”

But the truth is, if Frerotte plays well enough to turn the Vikings’ season around after their 0-2 start, it’s hard to see how Jackson could return as their quarterback in 2009. And if Frerotte doesn’t play well and the Vikings’ 2008 season is a failure, it’s hard to see how Childress could return to decide who will be the quarterback in 2009.

[mission]

MM would never have addressed the situation that way. Chilly is a moron.

[Lurker64]

MM would never have addressed the situation that way. Chilly is a moron.

Well, realistically Childress had to do this to save his job.

If Jackson continues to start and plays poorly, Chilly gets fired.
If Frerotte starts and plays poorly, Chilly gets fired.
If Jackson starts, plays poorly, and the Vikings limp into the playoffs, Childress is under a lot of pressure for "wasting this opportunity" with a terrible QB.
If Frerotte starts, and the Vikings crawl their way into the playoffs, Childress gets credit for making a tough decision in week 3 to save the season.

[mission]

MM would never have addressed the situation that way. Chilly is a moron.

Well, realistically Childress had to do this to save his job.

If Jackson continues to start and plays poorly, Chilly gets fired.
If Frerotte starts and plays poorly, Chilly gets fired.
If Jackson starts, plays poorly, and the Vikings limp into the playoffs, Childress is under a lot of pressure for "wasting this opportunity" with a terrible QB.
If Frerotte starts, and the Vikings crawl their way into the playoffs, Childress gets credit for making a tough decision in week 3 to save the season.

I should have been more clear. Your reply is on point.

I meant to say addressed the *media* that way. Nothing *really* sticks out as horrible but the language is very "football guy" ...

[oregonpackfan]

Jackson is still young. If he uses this benching as a positive learning opportunity, I think he can come back.

Against the Packers, his passing was indeed erratic. I think that can improve with experience.

As other posters have noted, Jackson is very athletic and elusive in the backfield. If his passing improves, I remain confident he can become a competent starter some day.

[mngolf19]

I don't really see this as much of an upgrade. It's not like Ferotte's going to tear it up or something. It's not like he was ever that good, and he's old as dirt.

Mngolf, Rastak, what do you guys think?

What he can do is throw downfield. He's 37 and the writers say his arm is very strong. He will complete many more passes than Jackson. He just won't move much, and may throw more picks due to more throws downfield and his lack of playing time recently. Jackson due to his own limitation or Chilly's was not allowed to throw downfield unless he could guarantee no pick. Not turning the ball over was foremost in both their minds and caused ultra-conservative efforts in passing. They won't be conservative now. But Frerotte needs a little time to get back into it and therefore that worries me. But no doubt in my mind that Jackson currently has not improved enough to get them where they want to go this year. So whether Frerotte can or not, he has the potential at least to be the caretaker the Vikes need this season.

Jackson was awful. Ferotte is a journeyman. This is a major upgrade for the Vikings. Now he gets to try and salvage this season, and save Chilly's job. Desperate move? Yes. The right move? Probably.

You're going to miss all those picks you traded for Jared Allen next year when you go into the draft needing to select the QB of the future once again.

They traded a 1st and a 3rd. He is already better than any 3rd or 1st they would have drafted this year. So you lose 2 picks and gain 1 player. Not going to miss those at all.

[mngolf19]

pft.com

CHILDRESS SAYS FREROTTE WILL START FOR REST OF SEASON
Posted by Michael David Smith on September 17, 2008, 3:24 p.m.

Vikings coach Brad Childress has spoken, and he’s made clear that he doesn’t expect Tarvaris Jackson to get off the bench any time soon.

Childress said that barring injury, Gus Frerotte is the Vikings’ starting quarterback for the rest of the season.

“I feel like we have an opportunity here that I don’t want to let pass by,” Childress said. “Obviously we have a chance to have a successful season and I think so we don’t let things potentially slip away, what we’re doing is I’m going to make a change at quarterback.”

Childress claims, however, that Jackson still has a chance to become the Vikings’ starter some day.

“It does not have to be a death knell for Tarvaris Jackson,” Childress said. “There are many quarterbacks in this league that have experienced bumps in the road, if you will. It’s part of the experience factor and while I know he doesn’t like it, I’d worry about him if he did like it, I know he’ll make the most of it.”

But the truth is, if Frerotte plays well enough to turn the Vikings’ season around after their 0-2 start, it’s hard to see how Jackson could return as their quarterback in 2009. And if Frerotte doesn’t play well and the Vikings’ 2008 season is a failure, it’s hard to see how Childress could return to decide who will be the quarterback in 2009.

The last paragraph says it all. And Booty will not be the QB next year in any turn of events. Either draft one high or FA. Maybe a trade.

[Zool]

pft.com

CHILDRESS SAYS FREROTTE WILL START FOR REST OF SEASON
Posted by Michael David Smith on September 17, 2008, 3:24 p.m.

Vikings coach Brad Childress has spoken, and he’s made clear that he doesn’t expect Tarvaris Jackson to get off the bench any time soon.

Childress said that barring injury, Gus Frerotte is the Vikings’ starting quarterback for the rest of the season.

“I feel like we have an opportunity here that I don’t want to let pass by,” Childress said. “Obviously we have a chance to have a successful season and I think so we don’t let things potentially slip away, what we’re doing is I’m going to make a change at quarterback.”

Childress claims, however, that Jackson still has a chance to become the Vikings’ starter some day.

“It does not have to be a death knell for Tarvaris Jackson,” Childress said. “There are many quarterbacks in this league that have experienced bumps in the road, if you will. It’s part of the experience factor and while I know he doesn’t like it, I’d worry about him if he did like it, I know he’ll make the most of it.”

But the truth is, if Frerotte plays well enough to turn the Vikings’ season around after their 0-2 start, it’s hard to see how Jackson could return as their quarterback in 2009. And if Frerotte doesn’t play well and the Vikings’ 2008 season is a failure, it’s hard to see how Childress could return to decide who will be the quarterback in 2009.

The last paragraph says it all. And Booty will not be the QB next year in any turn of events. Either draft one high or FA. Maybe a trade.

I would assume Jackson has to be all but done starting in MN. He's just not getting it.

[Tony Oday]

pft.com

CHILDRESS SAYS FREROTTE WILL START FOR REST OF SEASON
Posted by Michael David Smith on September 17, 2008, 3:24 p.m.

Vikings coach Brad Childress has spoken, and he’s made clear that he doesn’t expect Tarvaris Jackson to get off the bench any time soon.

Childress said that barring injury, Gus Frerotte is the Vikings’ starting quarterback for the rest of the season.

“I feel like we have an opportunity here that I don’t want to let pass by,” Childress said. “Obviously we have a chance to have a successful season and I think so we don’t let things potentially slip away, what we’re doing is I’m going to make a change at quarterback.”

Childress claims, however, that Jackson still has a chance to become the Vikings’ starter some day.

“It does not have to be a death knell for Tarvaris Jackson,” Childress said. “There are many quarterbacks in this league that have experienced bumps in the road, if you will. It’s part of the experience factor and while I know he doesn’t like it, I’d worry about him if he did like it, I know he’ll make the most of it.”

But the truth is, if Frerotte plays well enough to turn the Vikings’ season around after their 0-2 start, it’s hard to see how Jackson could return as their quarterback in 2009. And if Frerotte doesn’t play well and the Vikings’ 2008 season is a failure, it’s hard to see how Childress could return to decide who will be the quarterback in 2009.

The last paragraph says it all. And Booty will not be the QB next year in any turn of events. Either draft one high or FA. Maybe a trade.

I would assume Jackson has to be all but done starting in MN. He's just not getting it.

Or the NFL he is not a pro QB...

[Scott Campbell]

Childress claims, however, that Jackson still has a chance to become the Vikings’ starter some day.

So you're saying I still got a chance.

[HarveyWallbangers]

They traded a 1st and a 3rd. He is already better than any 3rd or 1st they would have drafted this year. So you lose 2 picks and gain 1 player. Not going to miss those at all.

Didn't they actually give up two 3rd round picks and swapped later round picks (getting the worse of those two picks)?

They could have drafted Joe Flacco and got two other good players in round 3 that could help long-term. Not to mention the minor swapping of picks. Not to mention the risk of signing Allen to a long-term contract knowing he's one strike for a year-long suspension.

Of course, they could have drafted Aaron Rodgers instead of Troy Williamson and Erasmus James. They could have traded up to get Jay Cutler. I'd take Cutler over Chad Greenway and the later round pick (Tarvaris Jackson?).