What Did We Learn Tonight?

[Pacopete4]

As a famous Packer coach once said. "It all comes down to blocking and tackling. It isn't brain surgery out there."


The Cowboys had the bigger better blocking Offensive Line.

The Packer O-line wasn't as good as the Cowboys.

There isn't much further analysis needed because it is all secondary to the differences in the quality of the O-lines.

Another reason that zone blocking shit can get the hell outta here...

I want some beefy dudes who can beat the shit outta the dline ALL GAME LONG... I want Dlineman to wake up the next day and not be able to get outta bed.. worst decision by the pack in many years was this zone blocking crap

[Harlan Huckleby]

I want some beefy dudes who can beat the shit outta the dline ALL GAME LONG...

then you don't want to build an oline around Wells at center

[texaspackerbacker]

As a famous Packer coach once said. "It all comes down to blocking and tackling. It isn't brain surgery out there."


The Cowboys had the bigger better blocking Offensive Line.

The Packer O-line wasn't as good as the Cowboys.

There isn't much further analysis needed because it is all secondary to the differences in the quality of the O-lines.

Another reason that zone blocking shit can get the hell outta here...

I want some beefy dudes who can beat the shit outta the dline ALL GAME LONG... I want Dlineman to wake up the next day and not be able to get outta bed.. worst decision by the pack in many years was this zone blocking crap

So it comes down to the O Line again. The question is NOT what you want so much as what can you do with what you've got. The ZBS is a great compensation type offense for when you DON'T have an O Line like the Cowboys--practically nobody in the NFL does. Most of the time against most teams, we are better off with the ZBS. It didn't even work all that badly tonight, considering Grant not being 100% as well as the quality of the defense.

I've been saying all week our O Line isn't "under-performing". It's either doing about what it should do or maybe even over-performing compared to the ability of the personnel.

[Pacopete4]

As a famous Packer coach once said. "It all comes down to blocking and tackling. It isn't brain surgery out there."


The Cowboys had the bigger better blocking Offensive Line.

The Packer O-line wasn't as good as the Cowboys.

There isn't much further analysis needed because it is all secondary to the differences in the quality of the O-lines.

Another reason that zone blocking shit can get the hell outta here...

I want some beefy dudes who can beat the shit outta the dline ALL GAME LONG... I want Dlineman to wake up the next day and not be able to get outta bed.. worst decision by the pack in many years was this zone blocking crap

So it comes down to the O Line again. The question is NOT what you want so much as what can you do with what you've got. The ZBS is a great compensation type offense for when you DON'T have an O Line like the Cowboys--practically nobody in the NFL does. Most of the time against most teams, we are better off with the ZBS. It didn't even work all that badly tonight, considering Grant not being 100% as well as the quality of the defense.

I've been saying all week our O Line isn't "under-performing". It's either doing about what it should do or maybe even over-performing compared to the ability of the personnel.

Its just the type of guys we go out and get.. we could try to get the big beefers but we choose this style which is horshit IMO..

[mission]

I want some beefy dudes who can beat the shit outta the dline ALL GAME LONG...

then you don't want to build an oline around Wells at center

I dont want to build a line around him no matter what...

Im really not a fan of this ZBS...

I know what the Z stands for but could someone fill me in on the BS ?? I thought it meant blocking scheme but im not so sure.

Scheme might be right, actually...

[Harlan Huckleby]

I've been saying all week our O Line isn't "under-performing". It's either doing about what it should do or maybe even over-performing compared to the ability of the personnel.

I agree, they have played pretty well.

They are doing the best with what they have.

[oregonpackfan]

Some things I think we learned are:

1. The Packers youth will make costly mistakes which should improve over the length of the season. There were far too many penalties which negated several big gains by our offense.

2. Rodgers showed poise in the face of a great defense. He did not try to force passes for easy interceptions.

3. Rodgers still has a tremendous amount of untapped and undeveloped talent. He showed excellent mobility with the rollouts, avoiding many tackles, and even doing a quarterback sneak into the endzone.

4. The Packers O-line needs significant improvement in its run blocking.

5. Though Driver is the official #1 receiver, Jennings is the playmaker receiver. Jones may have lost his #3 receiver status with dropping at least two easy passes in his second consecutive game.

6. Brandon Jackson is slowly becoming more effective as the #2 tailback. He was more decisive in picking his holes and running with more authority.

7. Chillar needs to be used more often as a linebacker in pass coverage.

8. Cullen Jenkins had a great game. We need him to stay healthy.

[3irty1]

Ryan Grant is looking pretty tackleable.

[BobDobbs]

You know I know that Grant hasn't been producing, but I swear to God that Brandon Jackson has been getting way bigger holes to run through these last couple games. Maybe Its because teams play us to pass more when he is in there. Or maybe I'm delusional.

We got pretty well handled today. The thing that kills me is all the big plays we gave up to chumps. Well, Felix Jones is not a chump, but he should have to break more than one open field tackle to take it 70 yards to the house. And who the hell is Mike Austin a prowrestler. The first big catch should have been about a 15 yarder and on the second one Rouse took a terrible angle to the ball. But Williams has got to keep running and make that play he slowed down to find the ball and let that completion go. It was a sweet pass under pressure though.

One last thing. Chillar/Pop is a damned if you do damned if you don't scenario. I would have loved to see Poppinga helping to defend Barber, he gets jacked for these kind of physical showdowns and gives some of his best games. On the other hand then maybe Witten grabs 10 or twelve balls and dominates the game. So what are you going to do? I still think Poppinga deserves to start and should have tonight.

[cpk1994]

I learned that we are just not that good.. we're not a top team in the NFC right now.. I also learned that the Vikings are probably about right where we are as a football team

[outflow]

Grant at 100% wouldn't have mattered a lick.

Where was the backside pursuit on the Cowboy misdirection runs?

Nelson seems to be learning quite well from the other receivers in getting open after the play breaks down.

I agree, this shotgun formation straight to pass crap has to stop. I don't agree that we need more trickery, we need less and more of the two RB sets/back them off with the quick slants.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Re: What Did We Learn Tonight?

5. Hawk over pursues and gets faked out too easily.

Calling out Hawk is silly. He played a fine game last night. The Dallas OL was opening huge holes out there and it got to a point where the team had to start selling out to stop the run.

Why don't you call out Barnett? Where the hell was he all night long?

[MOBB DEEP]

...pack will still be 11-5; not many teams on our sched are as talented as GB and none are as talented as cowgirls...

[MOBB DEEP]

Re: What Did We Learn Tonight?

5. Hawk over pursues and gets faked out too easily.

Calling out Hawk is silly. He played a fine game last night. The Dallas OL was opening huge holes out there and it got to a point where the team had to start selling out to stop the run.

Why don't you call out Barnett? Where the hell was he all night long?

i think BOTH had subpar games; got out physicaled

[Partial]

That MM STILL cannot call a primetime game.