Calling out the Defense - Sort Of

[HarveyWallbangers]

Re: Calling out the Defense - Sort Of

The blitzes that Hawk and Bennett almost got home on (emphasize almost) weren't delayed.

I know I saw Hawk on at least two delayed blitzes, and I don't remember him blitzing much from the LOS.

[BobDobbs]

There were times when the D-Line did get handled. KGB in particular was invisible, terrible game. But alo remember that Dallas gave up 0 sacks in 2 games and then three to us. I just read some post game quotes from Romo and he said that he was feeling the pressure and this was one of those games where he just had to deal with it.
On the second long pass to Austin for the touchdown he's got a Dlineman behind him and Jason Hunter hitting him right after he throws. He wasn't back there on a lawn chair. The Dline played pass rush pretty well, you can't get pressure every play, but we did better than anyone else this year against the Cowboys.

The front seven lost the battle against the run. We are definitely going to see more misdirections if we play like that. The only good thing is that we are not going to see many backs who run like Barber again.

[pbmax]

The difference from blitzing from a LB depth versus running up to the line is about disguise. A delayed blitz is a blitz that doesn't start until a count or two after the snap of the ball.

The risk is that at the line they can make the line and protection call, but you are closer to the target. From the LB spot, its less easy to read and you might either get a gap or just the RB filling. I understand the concern about the time to the QB, but with our average blitzers, I would rather play for the opening or RB rather than get a guard on Hawk or Barnett.

[gbgary]

Hell no this isnt the defense's fault. Only gave up 20 points to a high powered cowpukes offense through 3 quarters? Shit, Ill take that any day.

i agree. it was an offensive failure from the playcaller on down.

[Ballboy]

The difference from blitzing from a LB depth versus running up to the line is about disguise. A delayed blitz is a blitz that doesn't start until a count or two after the snap of the ball.

The risk is that at the line they can make the line and protection call, but you are closer to the target. From the LB spot, its less easy to read and you might either get a gap or just the RB filling. I understand the concern about the time to the QB, but with our average blitzers, I would rather play for the opening or RB rather than get a guard on Hawk or Barnett.

If it is such a risk at the line as you say, why then are many teams doing it.....why then on at least three times last night did the Cowboys do it only to have GB throw an incomplete pass?

[pbmax]

You have to get home and hurry the pass. If they can block your guy when they know he is coming, then lining up on the LOS doesn't help. This is the Packers situation. When the O can't block the guy, then you want him closer to the target. The protection changes, and then if you really want to mess with their minds, you drop that guy into coverage while sending someone else.

The Cowboys were having no problem blocking our four with five. In fact, they had a free guard or center most downs. So the first blitzer gets hit with a 330 Lbs guy, not 220 Lbs RB.

Second blitzer then gets the TE or RB. That pulls two guys from our coverage of four receivers.

Packers gave help to Tauscher with Ware an estimated half the time (estimates are from my head). That is 6 blocking 4 with one OL free to pick up the other blitzer. With two OLBs available to rush, the Packers pulled in the TE and RB to block Ware and the blitzer.

That means we have one to two less receivers in the pattern. And that was where Rodgers had trouble. He had fewer options and could only threaten part of the field.

The difference from blitzing from a LB depth versus running up to the line is about disguise. A delayed blitz is a blitz that doesn't start until a count or two after the snap of the ball.

The risk is that at the line they can make the line and protection call, but you are closer to the target. From the LB spot, its less easy to read and you might either get a gap or just the RB filling. I understand the concern about the time to the QB, but with our average blitzers, I would rather play for the opening or RB rather than get a guard on Hawk or Barnett.

If it is such a risk at the line as you say, why then are many teams doing it.....why then on at least three times last night did the Cowboys do it only to have GB throw an incomplete pass?

[pbmax]

The shorter answer is that by scheme or talent, you need to know the odds your guy gets there and affects the throw. If he is getting there often enough, then its worth the risk.

Our guys have gotten home with the right matchups (making the OL miss on occassion but usually beating the RB's block). That means they are dependent on the scheme and getting the matchup you want.

I am not sure that the blitzers for the Cowboys are better than Hawk or Barnett, but with the twin threat of Ware and Ellis, its easier to get a lane to the QB for the Boys. So they would love for you to fret over the blitz and leave Ellis and Ware one on one, or pull in even more blockers. The Packers max protected a lot.

Was this the fault of the O line or QB? Probably both. Which is going to improve faster? Our QB.

[The Gunshooter]

Dallas just said, ok, you want to rush 4 with both safeties over the top? We are going to pound you with Barber. Now when GB was getting pummeled you have to stop that otherwise you are going to get your guys injured, you just can't afford to have Harris and Woodson taking on Barber. So what you do is bring Rouse up. If that doesn't stop, which it will except on short yardage, you bring in a 4th linebacker or a 5th D-lineman. Believe me Dallas will throw. When they do the more guys that rush the passer the more have to stay in and block. You are better off just letting them blow you out then beating you up. I can't help but feel that Dallas not only beat GB this game but they caused GB to go on a rough stretch without Harris, GB will be lucky to make the playoffs now.

[HarveyWallbangers]

This is the one that got me. I (and I'm sure many others) knew before the ball was snapped we were in big trouble if the Cowboys ran left.

Multiple alignment errors opened the door for Felix Jones’ 60-yard TD run in the first quarter. The Packers stacked the offensive right side of the line. Rouse was supposed to be on the other side, where the play went, but he lined up behind the stack instead. Meanwhile, poor communication led to a line shift that put RE Michael Montgomery on the inside shoulder of Witten, who easily pinned him to let Jones get the corner.

[pbmax]

This is the one that got me. I (and I'm sure many others) knew before the ball was snapped we were in big trouble if the Cowboys ran left.

Multiple alignment errors opened the door for Felix Jones’ 60-yard TD run in the first quarter. The Packers stacked the offensive right side of the line. Rouse was supposed to be on the other side, where the play went, but he lined up behind the stack instead. Meanwhile, poor communication led to a line shift that put RE Michael Montgomery on the inside shoulder of Witten, who easily pinned him to let Jones get the corner.

Man this is just depressing. No wonder there was no support over there after he cutback. I wonder if it was Collins' call or if Rouse just planted himself in the wrong spot. And the D lineman adjustment call would have been the LBs, no?

[superfan]

There were times Sunday night when I was hoping, just once or twice, to see the ol' Bob Slowik bring the house blitz. Never thought I would wish to see that again.

Didn't help that right before kickoff we were watching highlights of the Philly D absolutely pummeling Big Ben. That's what I wanted to see on Sunday night - Romo getting the Roethlisberger treatment.

Most of the time I'm happy with the current defense and scheme, but Romo is deadly when he has time, which happened far too often.

[Bretsky]

There were times Sunday night when I was hoping, just once or twice, to see the ol' Bob Slowik bring the house blitz. Never thought I would wish to see that again.

Didn't help that right before kickoff we were watching highlights of the Philly D absolutely pummeling Big Ben. That's what I wanted to see on Sunday night - Romo getting the Roethlisberger treatment.

Most of the time I'm happy with the current defense and scheme, but Romo is deadly when he has time, which happened far too often.

Vanilla Bob

[texaspackerbacker]

The Packers Defense is 27th in total yards surrendered.

26th against the Rush

22nd against the Pass

25th in Points allowed.

According to NFL.com.

Playing the Cowboys, playing a passing team that gets three touchdowns behind at home and pulls out all stops, and playing the team with the best RB in the NFL, those things will give you stats like that.

Don't sweat the little things! We're 2-1; Sweat the "1", but not too much. We had to lose to somebody sooner or later. Sooner may be better than later, and losing to the NFL's best isn't near as bad as losing to a lesser team.

[RashanGary]

Rouse has got to be the most overrated Packer.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Rouse has got to be the most overrated Packer.

Rouse was a tackling machine against Dallas, led the team with a whopping 9 tackles, plus 3 assisted tackles.

He took a bad angle on a long touchdown, and Barber slipped through his hands in the backfield on one play. Rouse is a target for those searching for scapegoats because of a couple of obvious errors.

he played fine, had a good game overall.