Rodgers signing a new deal? Contract Details

[bobblehead]

People are such hypocrites...I was against giving grant a big deal at that point and I'm still against giving arod a huge deal until the offseason. Guys playing a few good games and getting big contracts is half of whats wrong in the NFL today....the cowboys are the other half.

NFL contracts are not guaranteed. The dead money problem that some teams have is largely a function of how they structure the deal to minimize the short term cap hit. In the Packer's case, Grants deal is not for huge money by RB standards. $4 mil per year for 2 years is just over average. And that number represents the total risk to the Packers on Grant's deal, because the Packers didn't need to hide bonus money to lower the cap hit.

A new Rodgers deal could easily be structured the same way. The question of timing is separate. Mad is right about waiting for at least a few more games. The Packers may not have seen enough if Rodgers demands are high. Rodgers might get more if he waits and plays well.

But there are two reasons to do it before the end of the season. We are sitting unded the cap by a large amount. Rodger's guaranteed money could be covered by the cap excess this year. Leaving the Packers with little risk if he doesn't pan out in the next couple of years. The second reason is that Rodgers new agent is currently working for free.

When i read the grant contract I remember seeing about 11 million over the first 2 seasons. Considering neither of those had a chance to be free agent seasons I can't see where the packers came out good.

[pbmax]

When i read the grant contract I remember seeing about 11 million over the first 2 seasons. Considering neither of those had a chance to be free agent seasons I can't see where the packers came out good.

8/5/2008: Signed a four-year, $20 million contract. The deal included an initial roster bonus of $3.5 million. Another $10 million is available through incentives. Grant can get annual $250,000 workout bonuses starting in 2009. If he rushes for 1,000 yards, he gets $500,000 added to his base pay the subsequent year. If he rushes for 1,250 yards, he earns an additional $1.5 million. If he rushes for 1,500+ yards, he earns $2.5 million more. 2008: $750,000 (+ $500,000 roster bonus), 2009: $750,000 (+ $2.75 million roster bonus due in March + $500,000 roster bonus), 2010: $3 million (+ $1.25 million roster bonus due in March + $500,000 roster bonus), 2011: $3.5 million (+ $1.75 million roster bonus due in March + $500,000 roster bonus), 2012: Free Agent. Cap charge: $4.75 million (2008).

First two years if he doesn't hit incentive of 1,000 yards in 2008:
2008 Roster Bonus #3.5 mil, 2008 Roster Bonus $500,000 (if active for each game), 2008 Salary $750,000, 2009 Roster Bonus 2.75 mil, 2009 Salary $750,000 base salary, 2009 Roster Bonus $500,000 (if active for all games, 2009 Workout Bonus $250,000

So if Grant plays poorly, but is on the roster, over two years he gets $9 million. That is active for every game and a workout bonus for offseason of 2009. He can be cut after season two with virtually no cap hit.

According to all the numbers I just saw, they might be able to cut him NOW for no cap hit in 2009. But I seem to remember that one or two of those larger roster bonuses might have been guaranteed. Either way, a pretty average investment in a back who is likely to be better than average.

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I dont see why this shouldn't wait. Way too fast after 3 games. He got his chance with the steering wheel and at the end of season show him what he deserves even if that is Romo type money. Probably a big part of what TT is holding all his chips for. It wouldn't be right with so many other players who have been on the field longer waiting for their payday.

Will you say that after nine games? After all, most didn't object to loudly to Grant geting paid after only playing 9 games. ARod should get the same treatment.

Why? Grand outperformed his contract by a SIGNIFICANT margin. A-Rod has been paid very, very well. 10-20x what Grant was making. Huge difference.

Personally, I'd lock him up to an incentive based deal so if he keeps up his performance he gets paid, and if he slips big time when our talent level drops off we can dump him.

[texaspackerbacker]

Some rumors you hear/read them, and you just say, hell no. That ain't the Packer way/that ain't the Ted Thompson way.

Well, this one ain't like that. This rumor really IS the way the Packers do things--do the deal early in the game for significantly less money. I was for it with Grant--I still think that will prove to be a great deal, and I would be for a similar Rodgers deal.

Somebody said that Rodgers would be better off waiting until the end of his contract or at least the end of this season when maybe he could command a lot more money. That's true, but then HE would be the one taking the risk of severe injury or just mediocre performance. He could also be worth a lot less by then if the situation goes the other way.

The Thompson way is for the team to assume that risk, and to sign the guy sooner rather than later for a lot less money. I like it that way.

[bobblehead]

I dont see why this shouldn't wait. Way too fast after 3 games. He got his chance with the steering wheel and at the end of season show him what he deserves even if that is Romo type money. Probably a big part of what TT is holding all his chips for. It wouldn't be right with so many other players who have been on the field longer waiting for their payday.

Will you say that after nine games? After all, most didn't object to loudly to Grant geting paid after only playing 9 games. ARod should get the same treatment.

Why? Grand outperformed his contract by a SIGNIFICANT margin. A-Rod has been paid very, very well. 10-20x what Grant was making. Huge difference.

Personally, I'd lock him up to an incentive based deal so if he keeps up his performance he gets paid, and if he slips big time when our talent level drops off we can dump him.

I would say rodgers at this point has been at least as deserving of a big deal as grant....but i am not for giving anyone a significant deal until they put together one good season, take an offseason and put together 8 more games. I have seen too many guys put together a good season and come back the next year and make you wonder how they hell they did it. At least rodgers has put together a few preseasons, a regular season game last year and 3 more this year....better than 9 good games imo.

[RashanGary]

After this year, if he performs like he has so far for the rest of the season, I'd say he's worth a deal similar to Romo's. I think Romo's the better player right now and worth more, but Romo signed a team friendly deal and Rodgers has a year and a half of NFL inflation to account for.

[]{ilr]3]

I think Romo's the better player right now and worth more, but Romo signed a team friendly deal

I dont. Even though we lost to the Cowboys, all through the game I was watching and comparing Rodgers to Romo. Romo is an average QB (at best) on a great team. Rodgers appears to me to be a young, better than average QB on a young, better than average team.

I think Romo knows where he stacks up against the rest of the league. Thats why he took what he did when he renegotiated his contract.

[RashanGary]

Rodgers might turn out better and Romo might be overrated. Right now, I'm extatic with how Rodgers is playing. I sip the TT Koolaid quite often, but with Rodgers I was going to have to see it to believe it. I'm still in that stage. Rodgers has to keep playing well and keep progressing. If he finishes the year really strong I'll start comparing the two. Right now Romo has proven a lot more but I'm certainly open to the possiblity that Rodgers is the better QB.

[MadtownPacker]

JH is on the money. I already said last week that ARod is more talented than Romo and last Sundays night's game reinforced that belief. Romo had forever to throw for a large part of the game. Rodgers didn't but statistically they where pretty much tied. But if you switch them places Im betting that changes drastically.

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{ilr]3]

I think Romo's the better player right now and worth more, but Romo signed a team friendly deal

I dont. Even though we lost to the Cowboys, all through the game I was watching and comparing Rodgers to Romo. Romo is an average QB (at best) on a great team. Rodgers appears to me to be a young, better than average QB on a young, better than average team.

I think Romo knows where he stacks up against the rest of the league. Thats why he took what he did when he renegotiated his contract.

11.3+ mil per year isn't too shabby for a quarterback.

Romo took the deal because he was an undrafted FA who needed some injury insurance.

Romo is miles ahead of Rodgers at this point.

[Kyle.McCarroll]

Romo is miles ahead of Rodgers at this point.

I would say it's more like kilometers.

[MadtownPacker]

Romo is miles ahead of Rodgers at this point.

I would say it's more like kilometers.

I would say more like a few cup sizes cuz the only thing Romo has better than Rodgers right now is Jessica Simpson's rack but I have faith that ARod is working on that.

[Kyle.McCarroll]

Romo is miles ahead of Rodgers at this point.

I would say it's more like kilometers.

I would say more like a few cup sizes cuz the only thing Romo has better than Rodgers right now is Jessica Simpson's rack but I have faith that ARod is working on that.

A-Rod is a pimp. He probably just don't let his come to the games. He's got control of his women.

[bobblehead]

{ilr]3]

I think Romo's the better player right now and worth more, but Romo signed a team friendly deal

I dont. Even though we lost to the Cowboys, all through the game I was watching and comparing Rodgers to Romo. Romo is an average QB (at best) on a great team. Rodgers appears to me to be a young, better than average QB on a young, better than average team.

I think Romo knows where he stacks up against the rest of the league. Thats why he took what he did when he renegotiated his contract.

11.3+ mil per year isn't too shabby for a quarterback.

Romo took the deal because he was an undrafted FA who needed some injury insurance.

Romo is miles ahead of Rodgers at this point.

I'll see your ridiculous statement and raise you one Romo red zone interception....how many of those has arod thrown??

[Pacopete4]

please tell we are not putting Arod in Romo's class right now.... i know we're packer fans and we back him, but don't get foolish