Favre and retirement 'the Right Time' to go.

[woodbuck27]

When Is The Right Time To Retire?

Written by Ken Leibee - NFL Draft Blitz

Thursday, 22 June 2006

The players just can't win. Barry Sanders retires in his prime and less than 1500 yards away from the rushing record and all the fans ask why? Vinny Testaverde is 90 years old and hung on for every last second, got every paycheck he could. Brett Favre says the word retirement and one team's fans cry while the rest jump for joy. Did Barry leave too early? Should Brett be home in Mississippi already? Vinny Testaverde was worth a paycheck? When is the right time to retire?

When Jim Brown retired at the ripe old age of 28 he already held the career rushing record. Even though he only played 9 seasons, that record stood until Walter Payton broke it in 1984. Brown still holds the record for average yards per rush over his career and is the only running back to date to average over 100 yards per game. Why did Brown retire so young? He wanted to be a movie star. Let's look over the list of movies that kept Jim Brown busy: Rio Conchos, The Dirty Dozen, El Condor (?), Slaughter, and of course Slaughter 2. Then he moved into TV scoring quest appearances on CHiPs, Knight Rider and TJ Hooker to name a few. He really must not have liked playing football much if it was more enjoyable to play the part of Gunn in Black Gunn. A minority activist acted in a blacksploitation film. Really? Jim you could have done so much more. Three more years and you would still be on top of the career rushing list. Another player I think retired too early is Barry Sanders. He was still in his prime and had a shot at immortality with only 1457 yards to go to catch Payton. But Barry stuck to his guns. He walked off the field and in to relative anonymity. I can respect that.

Now the question is who are our poster children for hanging on too long? Jerry Rice? He was still productive even in his last season with Seattle so I have to say no, although maybe he should have let it go a couple of years earlier.

Brett Favre? I'll talk about him later.

My poster boy for hanging on too long is Emmitt Smith. He broke Payton's rushing record in 2002, but it was by far his worst pro season up to that point. And yet, at and old and abused 33 years old he signed with the Arizona Cardinals. Yes you read that right, the Arizona Cardinals. He played there for not one, but two seasons, averaging a horrid 3.3 yards per carry on 357 total carries. I know he was hurt in his first season in Arizona but in my opinion he never should have gone there. He should have retired on top in 2002 with his record and his dignity intact.

So, when is the right time to retire? When you've made enough money and you know your place in the game will never get any higher. Just like Robert Smith did. He walked away from the Minnesota Vikings in 2000 after a season when he gained over 1500 yards and averaged over 5 yards per carry. Like Jim Brown, he was only 28 when he stepped off the field. So why do I say he left at just the right time? He was never going to set any records and he felt that the Vikings window for getting to the Superbowl had closed. Robert Smith is also a well educated man who had prospects to make a great living outside of football. He is a published author and has worked for ESPN as a college football analyst.

What about Brett Favre?

There are a number of people who thought Favre should have retired even before last season. After last season's 29 interceptions and the Packers' 4-12 record that number skyrocketed. I'm not one of those people. Favre has always kept himself in good shape and with the defensive improvements the Packers made they should improve on that 4-12 record. I think Favre came back to prove that last season was a fluke. Of course he's also only **26 touchdown passes away from the career TD record held by Dan Marino. I'm sure that has nothing to do with him coming back though. Brett just wants to lead the Pack to the Promised Land one more time. That way he can walk away at the top of the, at just the right time.


**woodbuck27: make that 25 TD's away fr. snapping Marino's All - Time TD record.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Brett Favre is retiring ?????!!! Oh Christ!!!! No! No! No!

[woodbuck27]

Brett Favre is retiring ?????!!! Oh Christ!!!! No! No! No!

NO ! NO Dam Way! WE will not allow that HH. He can't leave this sinking ship. Isn't he the Captain?

[packerpete]

Brett really screwed himself when he first was ambivalent when asked about ending his career. The timing of the first question was poor, it was far too early in Bretts career, and I wish he would have just stated he wouldnt address any retirement talk right then and there.

he opened the door for questions every time he has a press conference, and that is a burden he has had to carry. It has spilled over into a franchise burden and it is detrimental to the team dynamic, as well as causing undue front office angst.

I think the world of Brett Favre as a competitor and as a person just from his on-field pwerformance and his off-field tribulations which he has shared through his press conferences. He deserves respect. He doesnt get the respect he deserves from the press with their constant hounding about his leaving the game.

He is a young 36 with no major surgeries behind him, and he could easily continue playing until 38 or 39, his physical skills have not eroded. Both Marino and Elway played to ages beyond Brett.

Bretts biggest problem, IMHO, is that as he has aged, his skills have been retained, yet his mental approach to the game has failed to mature.

If Brett could take his skill level and use it in a more learned fashion, he would be unbeatable, even with "stumblebums" around him. Indeed, what kind of talent has he had around him throughout his career? Average guys with a lot of "try hard". The few that were more than that Brett "made", with the exception of Ahman Green, he is a true talent, the only one besides Sharpe that Brett has played with, and Sharpe left far too soon due to injury.

I hope Brett can play 3 more years including 2006. I would love to see him go out like Elway (on top), he deserves nothing less.

[RashanGary]

Brett really screwed himself when he first was ambivalent when asked about ending his career. The timing of the first question was poor, it was far too early in Bretts career, and I wish he would have just stated he wouldnt address any retirement talk right then and there.

he opened the door for questions every time he has a press conference, and that is a burden he has had to carry. It has spilled over into a franchise burden and it is detrimental to the team dynamic, as well as causing undue front office angst.

I think the world of Brett Favre as a competitor and as a person just from his on-field pwerformance and his off-field tribulations which he has shared through his press conferences. He deserves respect. He doesnt get the respect he deserves from the press with their constant hounding about his leaving the game.

He is a young 36 with no major surgeries behind him, and he could easily continue playing until 38 or 39, his physical skills have not eroded. Both Marino and Elway played to ages beyond Brett.

Bretts biggest problem, IMHO, is that as he has aged, his skills have been retained, yet his mental approach to the game has failed to mature.

If Brett could take his skill level and use it in a more learned fashion, he would be unbeatable, even with "stumblebums" around him. Indeed, what kind of talent has he had around him throughout his career? Average guys with a lot of "try hard". The few that were more than that Brett "made", with the exception of Ahman Green, he is a true talent, the only one besides Sharpe that Brett has played with, and Sharpe left far too soon due to injury.

I hope Brett can play 3 more years including 2006. I would love to see him go out like Elway (on top), he deserves nothing less.

GREAT post....

[Partial]

My thoughts on it are this. You only live once. Grab life by the horns and run with it. Cram as much in for as long as you can.

If Brett wants to play until he's 1000 and is good enough to, why shouldn't he? Who cares if Testeverde is old? He's out there doing his job, even if he's a third stringer, he's making fat cash living the life. All this legacy garbage is just that.

[woodbuck27]

"I hope Brett can play 3 more years including 2006. I would love to see him go out like Elway (on top), he deserves nothing less." packerpete

I believe Favre still has alot of magic left to show us and he'll not retire this season if we are lucky. I hope he is buttoned into what he has to do to gain a big edge over last season.

In order for him to perform well, OUR OL has to protect him and support the run, or it's lights out for Favre and 'the Packers'.

If we don't rebound to respectability, then I expect Brett Favre to retire.

[Harlan Huckleby]

even if he's a third stringer, he's making fat cash living the life. All this legacy garbage is just that.

I totally agree with this. I wish more players were content to finish out their careers as backups. Teams would be better for it, and it beats sittin around the house. But the vets don't want to continue their careers at reduced salary. QB is kind of a special case, Doug Flutie was still getting multi-millions per year as an aging backup.

[Polaris]

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I believe Favre still has alot of magic left to show us and he'll not retire this season if we are lucky. I hope he is buttoned into what he has to do to gain a big edge over last season.

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I believe that Favre hasn't engineered a game-winning TD drive late in the fourth quarter since 2001. I believe that since the middle of the 2002 season he's lost more games than he's won. I believe his 29 interceptions last year was one of the worst performances in history. I believe his 6 INTs in a playoff game is a record.

I believe that in 2004, with a powerful line in front of him, and recent/current Pro Bowlers all around him, he was rated the #10 QB in the league.....to me, that strongly suggests an average QB being supported by a very powerful cast.

In 2005, minus the powerful cast, he looked like a below-average QB on a bad team.

Since his final Super Bowl appearance in 1997, he's had 7 playoff appearances with a good offensive team around him every time. His aggregate QB passer rating in those 7 games is 67.4.........which is even lower than his passer rating for the 2005 season, if you can believe that.

In short, I no longer believe that this team is going anywhere with Brett Favre. Not this year, not next year, not the year after. Whatever "magic" he may have left it sure hasn't evidenced itself in big games over the last 8 years with pretty good offensive players around him and I think it's unlikely to surface with the cast around him this year.

IMO, the people who are hoping that Favre remains our best option at QB for the next couple of years are misguided and the best interests of the team would be served by moving forward at this position. Favre has been a great player for this franchise for a long time and he's a wonderfully fuzzy security blanket.........but IMO every day that he's the QB of this team is just one more day before the team starts moving forward again.

I'm a Packer fan, and I want what's best for the team more than I want what's best for any player. I realize he's the best QB on the team right now but I don't think that that we're going anywhere with him this year or in the future so I'd be in favor of the team doing whatever they think is necessary to get a viable alternative ready to go as quickly as possible.

[The Shadow]

Favre will play until he gets the records he desperately wants or is dragged off the field.

[MJZiggy]

Or until Deanna tells him he can stop...!

[woodbuck27]

"I believe that Favre hasn't engineered a game-winning TD drive late in the fourth quarter since 2001." Polaris

Did you keep up with what Favre has done since 2001 Polaris? I've got some exciting news for you, since I'm guessing now that you missed it.

2002

Favre brought Green Bay back from a 19-6 third-quarter deficit to defeat the Minnesota Vikings, 26-22 on Dec. 8, 2002, throwing touchdown passes of 21 and 40 yards (both on third down) while leading scoring drives of 67, 54 and 85 yards. He finished with 22 completions in 32 attempts for 214 yards and two TDs, with one INT (95.1 passer rating), in that Vikings contest

Also in 2002 Brett Favre:

Led Green Bay to its fourth division title and eighth playoff berth in his first 11 seasons with Green Bay. He was chosen NFL ‘Player of the Year’ by Sports Illustrated and received NFL MVP recognition from the Dallas Morning News. He was voted to the Pro Bowl (as a starter) for the seventh time in 11 seasons with Green Bay, though he later was forced to withdraw due to the foot/ankle/knee injuries from the season that had taken their toll

For the second year in a row, was the leading vote-getter in fan balloting for the Pro Bowl, picking up 930,270 votes – 182,973 more than second-place Priest Holmes (747,297)

Also was a second-team All-Pro selection of AP, named All-NFC by Pro Football Weekly.

Favre led the NFC in passing attempts (551) and completions (341); he also was tied for the conference lead (with the Saints’ Brooks) in touchdown passes (27).He led Green Bay to its fourth division title and eighth playoff berth in his first 11 seasons with Green Bay.

He finished third in the NFC in passing yards with 3,658, while ranking fifth in the conference in passer rating (85.6) and fourth in completion percentage (61.9). Favre posted a passer rating of 100-or-more in six games, second most in the NFL in 2002.

In win over the Patriots, he also became the fourth player in NFL history to throw 300 career touchdown passes – doing so with an 8-yard pass to Green late in the second quarter – tying, then surpassing, No. 3 Elway (300) in the process.

Do you recall in 2002 Polaris ? Favre completed 11 of 14 passes for 89 yards against Washington (Oct. 20) before departing early in the third quarter, when he sprained the lateral collateral ligament in his left knee while being sacked by the Redskins’ LaVar Arrington

Playing with a brace to protect his knee and a week off due to the Packers’ bye, came back and led Green Bay to a hard-fought, 24-10 Monday night win over a tough Miami defense (Nov. 4), completing 16 of 25 passes for 187 yards and one TD with one INT – an 83.2 passer rating.

2002 PLAYOFFS: He had 247 yards and one touchdown, on 20-of-42 passing with two INTs, in playoff game with Atlanta (Jan. 4), along the way throwing for a score in his 13th consecutive postseason contest to tie Marino’s NFL record.

Was Favre washed up Polaris, in 2002 ?


2003.

Played in all 16 games despite fracturing the thumb on his right (throwing) hand early in the team's seventh contest, at St. Louis (Oct. 19), leaving him in considerable pain for at least the next month, and needing to wear a protective splint on the thumb for the balance of the year

Led Green Bay to its ninth playoff appearance and fifth division title (second in a row) in his 12th year at the helm.

Was selected to his eighth career Pro Bowl (1992-93, 1995-97, 2001-03), tying him with Willie Wood for the second-most selections in team history (behind Forrest Gregg’s nine ).

Also was named to the All-NFC team of Pro Football Weekly.

Along the way, he helped the Packers to 442 points, the second-highest total in franchise history, behind only the 456 scored by the 1996 Super Bowl champions

Finished second in the NFC in passer rating (90.4), completing 308 of a career-low 471 passing attempts – a career-best and franchise-record 65.4 completion percentage (also first in the NFC) – for 3,361 yards and an NFL-best 32 touchdowns, with 21 interceptions.

Favre authored six games with a passer rating of 100 or better.

Brett Favre ran coordinator Tom Rossley’s offense to near perfection, the group becoming the NFL’s first unit to: rush for at least 2,500 yards, pass for at least 3,300 yards, complete at least 65 percent of passes, rush for at least 18 TDs and pass for at least 32 TDs

Brett Favre started the club's two postseason games, completing 41 of his 66 passes for 499 yards and three TDs with one INT.

Any 4th Qtr. comebacks in 2003 Polaris? Well. . . yes there was.

Imagine this. The washed up QB if the Packers ( Brett Favre) orchestrated not one or two but FOUR 4th Quarter comebacks in 2003. Three 0f those comebacks were on the road.

Nov. 2 at Minnesota, Nov. 16 at Tampa Bay, Dec. 14 at San Diego and Jan. 4 vs. Seattle in the playoffs.

In that Seattle 4th Quarter comeback game, Favre efficiently lead Green Bay to a 33-27, overtime triumph over the Seahawks, throwing for 319 yards on 26-of-38 passing – without an INT – for a passer rating of 102.9.

He had a fourth-quarter passer rating of 102.5 during the postseason (12-15-129-0-0)

So that is ( Five ). . . . 4th Qtr. comebacks since 2001. Polaris.

As well Polaris, in 2003. Favre captured NFC 'Offensive Player of the Month' honors for December, when he completed 79 of 117 passes for 1,003 yards and 10 touchdowns, including a pair of four - TD games (his first since the '99 season), with only three interceptions, in leading Green Bay to a 4-0 record and 144 points during the month – an average of 36 points per game.

Brett Favre turned in one of the most memorable performances of his career – and in the history of Monday Night Football – in 41-7 victory at Oakland (Dec. 22), playing with a heavy heart one day after the sudden death of his father (Irvin)

He completed 22 of 30 passes (73.3 percent) for 399 yards and four TDs, without an interception, against the Raiders – for a team-record 154.9 passer rating and threw for a career-best 311 yards in the first half, including TDs of 22 yards to Wesley Walls, 23 and 43 yards to Walker and 6 yards to David Martin, as the Packers opened up a 31-7 halftime advantage. His initial touchdown pass to Walker (and second of the game), late in the first quarter of the Oakland contest, gave him 343 for his career and pushed him past Tarkenton into second place on the NFL's all-time list.

His performance in that contest earned the ESPN ESPY’s 2004 ‘Best Moment’.

In case you missed it, Polaris? A week earlier at San Diego (Dec. 14), Brett Favre also had thrown for four TDs, including a pair of second-half scores to Ferguson in the Packers' come-from-behind 38-21 win

Oh yea! Favre completed 23 of 33 passes (70.0 percent) for 278 yards against the Chargers, with only one interception, he also broke Cecil Isbell's long-standing team record for consecutive games with a touchdown pass (22), connecting with Driver just before halftime for a score in his 23rd straight contest

During the second half of the Chargers game and the first half of the Oakland contest, at one point had completed 17 of 18 passes, including his first nine against the Raiders

He broke Gregg's franchise record for consecutive games played in (whaaaaat. . . not another comeback victory) over Chicago (Dec. 7) by suiting up for his 188th straight contest.


2004

In 2004 Brett Favre completed his 13th Green Bay season (more than any current player or coach).

Brett Favre completed 346 of 540 passes – a 64.1 percent completion percentage, tied for his second best as a pro – for 4,088 yards and 30 touchdowns with 17 interceptions, giving him a passer rating of 92.4 – the fifth-best total in his pro career.

He passed for more than 4,000 yards a fourth time as a professional (and the first time since 1999), standing fifth in the league behind Culpepper (4,717), the Chiefs’ Trent Green (4,591), Manning (4,557) and the Broncos’ Jake Plummer (4,089)

He authored eight games with a passer rating above 100.

So Polaris. Is he falling off in 2004 ?

In the home opener with Chicago (Sept. 19), he broke the NFL record (since 1970) for most consecutive games with a touchdown pass vs. a single opponent by throwing for a score in a 25th straight game against the Bears; he had been tied for the league mark with Marino, who had a TD toss in 24 consecutive contests vs. the N.Y. Jets.

He became the third quarterback in league history with 4,000 career completions Sept. 26 at Indianapolis. He Threw for 360 yards and four touchdowns on 30-of-44 passing, without an interception, for a passer rating of 123.1, tieing Johnny Unitas for the second most four - TD games (17) in NFL history.

Now Polaris, for some of that Brett Favre MAGIC.

Playing with a softball-sized bruise on his left hamstring suffered the prior week, completed 12 of 18 passes for 110 yards and one TD vs. the N.Y. Giants (Oct. 3) before leaving the game early in the second half due to a concussion

He suffered the injury on the first drive of the third quarter after Giants defensive linemen William Joseph and Keith Washington fell on him; returned two plays later to throw a 28-yard TD strike to Walker on fourth-and-5, the Packers' only score of the game

Team doctors subsequently ruled he was not healthy enough to go back into the game and he remained sidelined for the remainder of the contest
Returned the following week to launch an unprecedented long-distance streak, completing a pass of at least 44 yards in six consecutive games (Oct. 11-Nov. 21), by far the longest stretch of his career.

Favre established a pair of milestones in victory at Detroit (Oct. 17)

By taking the Packers’ first offensive snap, he surpassed Starr (196) for No. 1 on the franchise’s all-time games-played list with 197. He also moved ahead of Fran Tarkenton (47,003) and into fourth place in career passing yards.

Favre played in his 200th NFL game (including the 1991 season with Atlanta), while also making his 100th career home start, in victory over Dallas (Oct. 24) He completed a season-high 79.3 percent of his passes (23 of 29) for 258 yards and a pair of scores, without an interception, giving him a 126.7 passer rating.

Brett Favre was named NFC ‘Player of the Month’ for November after helping the Packers to a perfect 3-0 record during a month that saw him lead Green Bay to a pair of comeback victories along with make his 200th consecutive NFL start.

There wasn't that two more come back victories.

He drove the Packers to victory for the 31st time in his career when tied or behind in the fourth quarter, taking his team down the field for a walk-off field goal after Minnesota rallied from a 14-point deficit to tie the game at 31 with 1:20 remaining

He completed passes to nine different receivers in leading Green Bay to a 34-31 triumph in initial meeting of the year with the Vikings (Nov. 14), capturing NFC ‘Offensive Player of the Week’ honors. Favre posted a season-high 133.0 passer rating (min. 20 att.) on 20-of-29 passing for 236 yards and four TDs – without a pick and that moved into second place in NFL history with his 18th career four-TD game, breaking a tie with Unitas.

Favre found himself in an even more dire situation a week later at Houston (Nov. 21) in a Sunday night game trailing 13-3, he passed for 201 yards in the final period to bring Green Bay back to victory from a fourth-quarter deficit of 10-or-more points on the road for the first time in 14 years; it also marked his own 32nd game-winning comeback.

So the magic was still there in 2004 Polaris, as he recorded his 7th fourth quarter comeback since 2001.. ** It's not done yet for 2004! **

Favre saw his string of 36 consecutive games with at least one touchdown pass – second longest in NFL history – come to an end in loss at Philadelphia (Dec. 5)

** Dealing with difficult wind conditions Dec. 12 vs. Detroit, hit on 19 of 36 passes for 188 yards and one TD, including 16 second-half completions
On the Packers' lone touchdown drive, completed six passes for 59 yards, including a 23-yard scoring strike to Driver between a pair of Lions
another comeback that marked the 34th time in his career he had rallied the Packers from a fourth-quarter deficit or tie to win.

Favre rallied his team to 10 unanswered points to steal the division crown away from the Packers’ archrival Vikings.He first directed a 13-play, 80-yard TD drive to tie the score at 31 with 3:34 left on the clock, converting a pair of third downs as well as throwing for the 3-yard score to Driver on fourth down. Then, with 1:35 remaining and two timeouts, took Green Bay 76 yards in 11 plays to the Vikings’ 11, from where Longwell booted a 29-yard field goal as time expired.

Note:
Just prior to the Longwell’s game-winning kick, Brett Favre hung in there against a Minnesota blitz, releasing the ball just before being drilled by Vikings S Brian Russell, then watching as Walker pivoted 31 yards up the right sideline. How many times has Brett Favre taken it for the team? Many.

He completed 30 of 43 passes for 365 yards and three TDs, with one INT, for a 109.2 passer rating in NFC North title game, earning FedEx Air ‘NFL Player of the Week’ honors. He also moved past Moon (49,325) and into third place on the NFL’s all-time passing yards list in Vikings contest.

He went over 4,000 yards passing for the fourth time and reached the 30-touchdown plateau for an NFL-record eighth time as a pro at Chicago (Jan. 2) before exiting regular-season finale midway through the second quarter.

Favre and the Packers fell behind very early to the Vikings in their early exit as the Viking Offence blew by the Packers "D". Brett Favre played badly in that game.

2005

Brett favre had 'Dick All', besides Donald Driver on "O" to work with last season, as the OL never got on track, and the Packers fell to adversity (way too many injuries to key players on OUR "O'). We suffered huge loss's in personnel when the likes of Javon Walker,Terrence Murphy,Ahman Green ,Najeh Davenport and Bubba Franks missed many games due to injury.

Brett Favre and OUR offence never got on track. Despite that, he was playing amazingly well after six games, and OUR record was 1-5. Dam he led the NFL in TD's at that stage and his passer rating was about 93. He gave it his best - passing for the most yards in the NFC and throwing the most pass's in the NFL by seasons welcome end

He'll come back if anyone can.

Again Polaris. I want to fast forward to see more Favre magic this season. Brett Favre will give it, as he always has - and he does still give us the very BEST chance to win.

[packerpete]

Right On Woody!!

let me add... shut the f**k up Polaris!

read the above post , it is ALL TRUE, no spin, no BS.

Favre bashing can just stop right here, right now.

If any of you are packer fans, at least stop for ONE SECOND and savor everything this guy has done while wearing the Packer uniform PROUDLY.

He has never waivered in his loyalty to the franchise, we should respect him for that alone.

Let this generation of fans take a lesson from the prior generation of fans that watched Bart Starr limp out of the league after a similarly glorius career entirely with the Packers.

The fans didnt turn on Bart when he was in decline, we shouldnt do that to Brett.

The "next win" isnt as important as the legacy the franchise and its fans have built.

Packer fans do not turn on the loyal career-long heros of Packer football.

Lets not be the first in the long line of Packer faithful to be spoiled little fair-weather fans. Stand behind your Packer players that have stood for the franchise through mnany years of tough football.

"Throw not ye worn heros under the proverbial bus, lest the bus steer towards thy self"

[woodbuck27]

Right On Woody!!


read the above post , it is ALL TRUE, no spin, no BS.

Favre bashing can just stop right here, right now.

If any of you are packer fans, at least stop for ONE SECOND and savor everything this guy has done while wearing the Packer uniform PROUDLY.

He has never waivered in his loyalty to the franchise, we should respect him for that alone.

Let this generation of fans take a lesson from the prior generation of fans that watched Bart Starr limp out of the league after a similarly glorius career entirely with the Packers.

The fans didnt turn on Bart when he was in decline, we shouldnt do that to Brett.

The "next win" isnt as important as the legacy the franchise and its fans have built.

Packer fans do not turn on the loyal career-long heros of Packer football.

Lets not be the first in the long line of Packer faithful to be spoiled little fair-weather fans. Stand behind your Packer players that have stood for the franchise through mnany years of tough football.

"Throw not ye worn heros under the proverbial bus, lest the bus steer towards thy self"

Thank You for the support for OUR HOFer QB Brett Favre, packerpete.

He is easy to stand up for, in my eyes, as he has flat out given me so much as a Packer fan.

[Polaris]

Woodbuck....you've amply demonstrated that he's prolific.......a fact which was not in question.

Your definition of a comeback appears to be any game where the Packers were trailing at any time by any margin. Specifically citing the Chicago game in 2003 as a comeback is especially hilarious as the Packers fell in an early 14-0 hole BECAUSE OF A FAVRE INTERCEPTION.

Then, the defense took over, registered 5 takeaways, scored one TD and recovered a fumble on the one-yard line. I think it's pretty disingenuous for you to give Brett Favre credit for that comeback.

If you'll read my original post a little more carefully, I specifically stated a "LATE 4th QUARTER TD drive". I'll stand by that.

The first "comeback" you attribute to him, the Dec. 8 2002 game, is a game we LOST. The 19-6 3rd quarter deficit was partly due to one of his interceptions. The TD pass to narrow the deficit was with 10 minutes left in the fourth.

The 2003 San Diego game? Better than 10 minutes left in the fourth. One of San Diego's 3 TDs was set up by a Brett Favre INT.

The 2003 game at Tampa Bay? Packers never trailed in that game.

The 2003 game at Minnesota? The Vikes had a 14-13 lead in the second quarter (on a TD set up by a Brett Favre INT) but the Packers retook the lead before the half and never trailed again.

The two 2004 games you cite were both field goals.

So.....If you read my ORIGINAL STATEMENT CLOSELY...it clearly states:

I believe that Favre hasn't engineered a game-winning TD drive late in the fourth quarter since 2001

And I think that's a true statement.




You know, when people start manufacturing stats to use in their arguments against me, or telling me to "shut the fuck up"......that pretty well lets me know there argument isn't that strong to begin with.