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  • #16
    My biggest surprise is that only one person mentioned Rodgers as their biggest surprise. Must be a confident bunch. I knew he was good, but watching the 49ers game or the one pass fourth game, I just didn't know what to expect.

    He has looked like one of the better QBs in the league and definitely the best young starter. He still has upside and the chance to be great. His accuracy, judgement, and elusiveness have been top notch. Biggest surprise hands down IMO.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Tony Oday
      Originally posted by Gunakor
      Originally posted by Tony Oday
      Biggest suprise I would think is Grant not being any good...

      Grant hasn't been healthy and our OL has been patchwork so far this year. Last year Grant was healthy and the OL had gelled, but due to injury neither has happened yet this season. Why are you suprised at the lack of production?

      Besides, this thread was about positive surpises thus far.
      Oops let me spin this then...watch a sales guy at work...

      Even though the offensive line has not gelled the way it did towards the end of the season this year and RB starter Ryan Grant has worked through nagging injuries the backup RB job has been solidified by a more confident Brandon Jackson who has shown a nice burst and a great one cut this season. Look for RB to be a strength for the Packers in the remaining games this season and into the future.


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      • #18
        Originally posted by MJZiggy
        I'm going to say Tramon Williams in about 3 more games...
        I believe Tramon will be good too.

        Nick Collins has been a pleasant surprise!

        AJ Hawk?? C'mon...you didn't know he was good?

        Grant looks fine to me; he's been dinged up plus the OL is, by far, the biggest letdown this season. I think the OL will have to work hard to be average.
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        • #19
          Originally posted by MJZiggy
          Grant looks fine to me; he's been dinged up plus the OL is, by far, the biggest letdown this season. I think the OL will have to work hard to be average.
          Did you expect the O-line to be great or something?

          They always been somewhat mediocre, and you can't forget that we had Tony Moll playing the first three weeks. We get Wells back this week, and hopefully Sitton will be coming back soon. They should start to improve once we get the right guys in there.
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          • #20
            Originally posted by BobDobbs
            My biggest surprise is that only one person mentioned Rodgers as their biggest surprise. Must be a confident bunch. I knew he was good, but watching the 49ers game or the one pass fourth game, I just didn't know what to expect.

            He has looked like one of the better QBs in the league and definitely the best young starter. He still has upside and the chance to be great. His accuracy, judgement, and elusiveness have been top notch. Biggest surprise hands down IMO.
            I expected him to make a ton of mistakes early and then get better. The surprise is that McCarthy has been able to give him a limited playbook and make him effective, better than effective, while keeping big mistakes out of the equation. You work on his confidence and the basics, then by midseason or so, McCarthy could really expand the playbook and the options so that the offense is less predictable. Each week is a new test, so it will be interesting how Rodgers fares against one of the more complex, brutal and fundamentally sound defenses in Tampa. At least he doesn't have to face Philly or NYG yet....
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            • #21
              Originally posted by mraynrand
              Originally posted by BobDobbs
              My biggest surprise is that only one person mentioned Rodgers as their biggest surprise. Must be a confident bunch. I knew he was good, but watching the 49ers game or the one pass fourth game, I just didn't know what to expect.

              He has looked like one of the better QBs in the league and definitely the best young starter. He still has upside and the chance to be great. His accuracy, judgement, and elusiveness have been top notch. Biggest surprise hands down IMO.
              I expected him to make a ton of mistakes early and then get better. The surprise is that McCarthy has been able to give him a limited playbook and make him effective, better than effective, while keeping big mistakes out of the equation. You work on his confidence and the basics, then by midseason or so, McCarthy could really expand the playbook and the options so that the offense is less predictable. Each week is a new test, so it will be interesting how Rodgers fares against one of the more complex, brutal and fundamentally sound defenses in Tampa. At least he doesn't have to face Philly or NYG yet....
              Where did you read he isn't using the whole playbook? It would seem to me after 3 years in the same system starting or not he better know the plays.
              But Rodgers leads the league in frumpy expressions and negative body language on the sideline, which makes him, like Josh Allen, a unique double threat.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by ThunderDan
                Originally posted by mraynrand
                Originally posted by BobDobbs
                My biggest surprise is that only one person mentioned Rodgers as their biggest surprise. Must be a confident bunch. I knew he was good, but watching the 49ers game or the one pass fourth game, I just didn't know what to expect.

                He has looked like one of the better QBs in the league and definitely the best young starter. He still has upside and the chance to be great. His accuracy, judgement, and elusiveness have been top notch. Biggest surprise hands down IMO.
                I expected him to make a ton of mistakes early and then get better. The surprise is that McCarthy has been able to give him a limited playbook and make him effective, better than effective, while keeping big mistakes out of the equation. You work on his confidence and the basics, then by midseason or so, McCarthy could really expand the playbook and the options so that the offense is less predictable. Each week is a new test, so it will be interesting how Rodgers fares against one of the more complex, brutal and fundamentally sound defenses in Tampa. At least he doesn't have to face Philly or NYG yet....
                Where did you read he isn't using the whole playbook? It would seem to me after 3 years in the same system starting or not he better know the plays.
                I'm sure Rodgers knows all of the plays. MM is just not calling all of them (sp).
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                • #23
                  McCarthy said he hasn't limited the offense at all. Those interceptions that we used to see didn't mean Favre had more of the playbook. It meant he didn't know what he was doing. Listening to Rodgers and watching him play, I wouldn't be suprised if he could handle a bigger playbook than Favre even after 17 years. Favre is not very smart.
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by JustinHarrell
                    McCarthy said he hasn't limited the offense at all. Those interceptions that we used to see didn't mean Favre had more of the playbook. It meant he didn't know what he was doing. Listening to Rodgers and watching him play, I wouldn't be suprised if he could handle a bigger playbook than Favre even after 17 years. Favre is not very smart.
                    WTF? Nevermind...you just want attention.

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                    • #25
                      I'm with the Nick Collins for the greatest surprise. Jennings, Hawk, and Rodgers have merely continued to show the talent that they demonstrated last year. They've fully lived up to our high expectations of them, but that's not surprising.

                      Collins, on the other hand was almost a liability last year. He dropped interceptions that hit him in the hands, he missed tackles occasionally and often lost containment, giving up big plays.

                      This year, though, he's become a heavy hitting, sure tackling, interception machine. He's easily had the largest jump in his level of play of any member of the Packers.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Kyle.McCarroll
                        Originally posted by MJZiggy
                        Grant looks fine to me; he's been dinged up plus the OL is, by far, the biggest letdown this season. I think the OL will have to work hard to be average.
                        Did you expect the O-line to be great or something?

                        They always been somewhat mediocre, and you can't forget that we had Tony Moll playing the first three weeks. We get Wells back this week, and hopefully Sitton will be coming back soon. They should start to improve once we get the right guys in there.
                        Rewind to McCarthy preaching post-Favre retirement; we're gonna run the ball more. I think you'll my find answer in the above.
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                        • #27
                          Mark Tauscher has not played well. He's been a bit of a disappointment at RT.
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by BobDobbs
                            My biggest surprise is that only one person mentioned Rodgers as their biggest surprise. Must be a confident bunch. I knew he was good, but watching the 49ers game or the one pass fourth game, I just didn't know what to expect.

                            He has looked like one of the better QBs in the league and definitely the best young starter. He still has upside and the chance to be great. His accuracy, judgement, and elusiveness have been top notch. Biggest surprise hands down IMO.
                            Have to agree, Aaron Rodgers is deff. my pick for biggest surprise.

                            Although....to say he is the BEST young starter...is an overstament...See
                            Jay Cutler (25 yrs old) (8 tds. 2 int. 914 yrds.) 1 fmbl
                            Phillip Rivers (26 yrs old) (9 tds. 2 int. 844 yrds.) 0 fmbl
                            Aaron Rodgers (24 yrs old) (4 tds. 0 int. 796 yrds.) 4 fmbls

                            To say that our boy Arod is the clear-cut BEST YOUNG STARTER....thats just to close to call....I say Cutler...WOW.

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                            • #29
                              Surpises:

                              1) Jenkins looks healthy and is man-beastin mofos so far. Looks like he shoulda looked after the 2007 preseason.

                              2) Hawk regardless of injury is making plays. Looks good.

                              3) Collins (always dinged up) is healthy and making plays too. Look damn good thus far as we needed that with Bigby down.

                              4) Rodgers playing pretty well. Didn't think he'd do it this quick. Go Arod.

                              Disappointments:

                              1) Taucher is looking old and slow and maybe hurt. Sad in his contract year.

                              2) DT's getting smoked. Jolly has not made plays.
                              Snake's Twitter comments would be LEGENDARY.........if I was ugly or gave a shit about Twitter.

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