Should have let Grant hold out

[GBRulz]

yeah but I don't see BJack or Lumpy doing much better....and we'd be bitching at TT for not signing Grant.

...I don't know. Maybe Grant is thinking too much; a bad OL might do that. Kreggy, as I call him , would hit holes...not thinking. BJ is a toss up but I agree with Madtown; BJ would've done just as "good" today.

I agree with what he said also. But my point was, if we didn't sign Grant and only had BJack running for 2 yds a carry, we'd be calling for TT's head on a platter.

I'm not sure what the OL line has to do with all the problems all of a sudden. We did just fine last year with the same guys for the most part.

[Pacopete4]

Re: Should have let Grant hold out

I didnt think he should get paid after less than a seasons performance and now he is showing why. He cant push a pile forward and only is good in space. Dunn who is smaller and much older showed what tough running is about it.

you really think its Grants fault there are no holes to run thru?

this line stunk last year and it hasn't changed other than our actual good lineman just getting older...

[packerbacker1234]

Re: Should have let Grant hold out

I didnt think he should get paid after less than a seasons performance and now he is showing why. He cant push a pile forward and only is good in space. Dunn who is smaller and much older showed what tough running is about it.

Few things.

1. Grant started out running very hard today. He got a bunch of tough yards early. Then guess what the packers did? Took it out of his arms, and put it in AR's hands.

We saw the results of that. OF course, they tried to go back to it... yeah thats not going to work. They were already sitting on our passing routes by then, so stopping the run was cake.

I don't even blame Grant for the fumble. He tucked it and lowered the shoulders. Helmet to ball contact just under him. Many fumble in that situation.

The mistake I think is the coaching calls. We were running succesfully early. That first drive was a prime example. We went away from it.

News Flash to MM: You don't have favre out there. Lets run a little traditional smash mouth football and let AR get some easy success off play action.

[Pugger]

MM kept trying to run after the first qter but the blocking up front was atrocious.

[MadtownPacker]

Re: Should have let Grant hold out

you really think its Grants fault there are no holes to run thru?

this line stunk last year and it hasn't changed other than our actual good lineman just getting older...

No, it is Grant's fault he is not able to convert a 3rd and 1 by himself, ever. When has he been good for short yardage situations that the offense has to have? Did he get the 4th down today? I cant remember now. Been too crazy a weekend.

[MadtownPacker]

Re: Should have let Grant hold out

Few things.

1. Grant started out running very hard today. He got a bunch of tough yards early. Then guess what the packers did? Took it out of his arms, and put it in AR's hands.

We saw the results of that. OF course, they tried to go back to it... yeah thats not going to work. They were already sitting on our passing routes by then, so stopping the run was cake.

I don't even blame Grant for the fumble. He tucked it and lowered the shoulders. Helmet to ball contact just under him. Many fumble in that situation.

The mistake I think is the coaching calls. We were running succesfully early. That first drive was a prime example. We went away from it.

News Flash to MM: You don't have favre out there. Lets run a little traditional smash mouth football and let AR get some easy success off play action.

Many very good point but what I am pointing at is that Grant wears down during a game while good RBs wear the defense down. That is what I think M3 is trying to do but it is not working. That fumble was a good hit and not really a complaint from today.

[Bretsky]

We are a very, very young team. It sucks. We were too QB dependent on offense and now we find out what happens when we don't have one.

I think Wist is right. We need a stronger OL and a stronger DL.

Agree with this as well; our defense and ST won an early game last year and then Favre went on fire.....that helped formulate a solid Running Game.

Now we need the OL to step up; teams are not going to game plan to stop our passing attack. I think Grant will be fine and he's well down the list of players I'd throw darts at right now

[retailguy]

Look, clearly the OL is hampering the Offense. Is it the only problem? Of course not. But the line has been "an issue" for 3 seasons now. That's Ted's line, and his fault.

Grant is very inexperienced. We caved and paid him too soon. However, when the line opens holes, Grant is better than anything we've got. But, the line isn't consistent at opening holes. Grant is frantically looking for holes, I kind of liken it to QB "happy feet".

When the line does it's job, Grant will probably be OK, in the meantime, I think it's time for B-Jack. He's healthy too.

Ted owes us a decent OL. This part of it is clearly HIS problem.

[rbaloha1]

Actually thought Grant looked healthy today. IMO missing training camp is hurting timing and vision.

For example on a third and short the cutback lane was available for a huge gain but RG missed it.

Please do not give up on RG. Once the game film is reviewed RG starts making big plays. However if Matt Flynn starts all bets are off.

[retailguy]

Please do not give up on RG.

I agree. don't give up on me. I'm worth the faith.

[packerbacker1234]

Re: Should have let Grant hold out

you really think its Grants fault there are no holes to run thru?

this line stunk last year and it hasn't changed other than our actual good lineman just getting older...

No, it is Grant's fault he is not able to convert a 3rd and 1 by himself, ever. When has he been good for short yardage situations that the offense has to have? Did he get the 4th down today? I cant remember now. Been too crazy a weekend.

First off - if you think Grant got a good spot on his 3rd and one run... then you didn't see what I did. The ball, before he got pushed back after the whistle, was sitting on top of two other guys right on the line. He got put back to where he landed after being pushed back.

Did he get the ball in a 4th down situation? No, he did not. So your point there is mute. The other run where he was completely stuffed again, a 3rd down. Of course, 3 guys hit him. Sorry, very few are going to push two linebackers and DL anywhere. One player, sure, maybe two if one is a CB. Three? No.

Oh, and he did push on the third and one earlier. Again, bad spot. He layed the wood pretty good on a guy and bounced off.

[packerbacker1234]

Re: Should have let Grant hold out

Few things.

1. Grant started out running very hard today. He got a bunch of tough yards early. Then guess what the packers did? Took it out of his arms, and put it in AR's hands.

We saw the results of that. OF course, they tried to go back to it... yeah thats not going to work. They were already sitting on our passing routes by then, so stopping the run was cake.

I don't even blame Grant for the fumble. He tucked it and lowered the shoulders. Helmet to ball contact just under him. Many fumble in that situation.

The mistake I think is the coaching calls. We were running succesfully early. That first drive was a prime example. We went away from it.

News Flash to MM: You don't have favre out there. Lets run a little traditional smash mouth football and let AR get some easy success off play action.

Many very good point but what I am pointing at is that Grant wears down during a game while good RBs wear the defense down. That is what I think M3 is trying to do but it is not working. That fumble was a good hit and not really a complaint from today.

How do you know this? Last year, he wore many a defense down. How do you think he had all those good rushing games?

Sure, if you look at the stat line now, it seems he disapears late. Well, he touched it 15 times. Look up again how many were in the second half. If he doesn't get the ball, he isn't wearing anyone down. Including himself.

[MadtownPacker]

Re: Should have let Grant hold out

No, it is Grant's fault he is not able to convert a 3rd and 1 by himself, ever. When has he been good for short yardage situations that the offense has to have? Did he get the 4th down today? I cant remember now. Been too crazy a weekend.

First off - if you think Grant got a good spot on his 3rd and one run... then you didn't see what I did. The ball, before he got pushed back after the whistle, was sitting on top of two other guys right on the line. He got put back to where he landed after being pushed back.

Did he get the ball in a 4th down situation? No, he did not. So your point there is mute. The other run where he was completely stuffed again, a 3rd down. Of course, 3 guys hit him. Sorry, very few are going to push two linebackers and DL anywhere. One player, sure, maybe two if one is a CB. Three? No.

Oh, and he did push on the third and one earlier. Again, bad spot. He layed the wood pretty good on a guy and bounced off.

Saying he got a bad spot on every attempt is like saying a WR ran the wrong route. How many times is that really happening? If it was so bad why didnt M3 challenge it?

If you get paid big dinero to run the ball then you should get the call on 4th and 1.

[MadtownPacker]

Re: Should have let Grant hold out

Many very good point but what I am pointing at is that Grant wears down during a game while good RBs wear the defense down. That is what I think M3 is trying to do but it is not working. That fumble was a good hit and not really a complaint from today.

How do you know this? Last year, he wore many a defense down. How do you think he had all those good rushing games?

Sure, if you look at the stat line now, it seems he disapears late. Well, he touched it 15 times. Look up again how many were in the second half. If he doesn't get the ball, he isn't wearing anyone down. Including himself.

Please, he didnt wear any defense down last year. Teams had to respect a high powered passing game that opened up the run, not the other way around. His yardage was all on big runs where he took it to the house. Not anything wrong with that but Im thinking maybe he aint an every down back after all even though he is almost paid like one.

Maybe if he had done more in the 1st half he would have got more carries. Instead he was stuffed and the Tampa D was able to focus on the passing game.

[packerbacker1234]

Re: Should have let Grant hold out

No, it is Grant's fault he is not able to convert a 3rd and 1 by himself, ever. When has he been good for short yardage situations that the offense has to have? Did he get the 4th down today? I cant remember now. Been too crazy a weekend.

First off - if you think Grant got a good spot on his 3rd and one run... then you didn't see what I did. The ball, before he got pushed back after the whistle, was sitting on top of two other guys right on the line. He got put back to where he landed after being pushed back.

Did he get the ball in a 4th down situation? No, he did not. So your point there is mute. The other run where he was completely stuffed again, a 3rd down. Of course, 3 guys hit him. Sorry, very few are going to push two linebackers and DL anywhere. One player, sure, maybe two if one is a CB. Three? No.

Oh, and he did push on the third and one earlier. Again, bad spot. He layed the wood pretty good on a guy and bounced off.

Saying he got a bad spot on every attempt is like saying a WR ran the wrong route. How many times is that really happening? If it was so bad why didnt M3 challenge it?

If you get paid big dinero to run the ball then you should get the call on 4th and 1.

I said he had a bad spot on ONE play. How is that every play? So, WR's can run one route wrong per play? It happens.