Should have let Grant hold out

[Chevelle2]

Re: Should have let Grant hold out

Many very good point but what I am pointing at is that Grant wears down during a game while good RBs wear the defense down. That is what I think M3 is trying to do but it is not working. That fumble was a good hit and not really a complaint from today.

How do you know this? Last year, he wore many a defense down. How do you think he had all those good rushing games?

Sure, if you look at the stat line now, it seems he disapears late. Well, he touched it 15 times. Look up again how many were in the second half. If he doesn't get the ball, he isn't wearing anyone down. Including himself.

Please, he didnt wear any defense down last year. Teams had to respect a high powered passing game that opened up the run, not the other way around. His yardage was all on big runs where he took it to the house. Not anything wrong with that but Im thinking maybe he aint an every down back after all even though he is almost paid like one.

Maybe if he had done more in the 1st half he would have got more carries. Instead he was stuffed and the Tampa D was able to focus on the passing game.

Why, then, did Wynn and Jackson ran so poorly the first 4 weeks?

[MadtownPacker]

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Why, then, did Wynn and Jackson ran so poorly the first 4 weeks?

Actually, when Wynn could catch his breath he did pretty damn good. Problem was he didnt have much in the tank.

Jackson is still running poorly to this day IMO.

[GoPackGo]

Re: Should have let Grant hold out

Few things.

1. Grant started out running very hard today. He got a bunch of tough yards early. Then guess what the packers did? Took it out of his arms, and put it in AR's hands.

We saw the results of that. OF course, they tried to go back to it... yeah thats not going to work. They were already sitting on our passing routes by then, so stopping the run was cake.

I don't even blame Grant for the fumble. He tucked it and lowered the shoulders. Helmet to ball contact just under him. Many fumble in that situation.

The mistake I think is the coaching calls. We were running succesfully early. That first drive was a prime example. We went away from it.

News Flash to MM: You don't have favre out there. Lets run a little traditional smash mouth football and let AR get some easy success off play action.

I agree with this.

[Carolina_Packer]

We are a very, very young team. It sucks. We were too QB dependent on offense and now we find out what happens when we don't have one.



I think Wist is right. We need a stronger OL and a stronger DL.

Yeah, we are not just Justin Harrell away from being good on DL. We have gotten some pressure from the front 4 at times, which is mostly what the scheme does for pressure, but there are critical times where they get swallowed up and do not get any or enough pressure and give up a critical 3rd down conversion. Perhaps it's time for Sanders to consider getting them some more help MORE OFTEN.

Like I said in Skin's post, I think Grant is still dinged, even if he or someone else gave himself a clean bill of health. If he is indeed 100%, then he's incredibly rusty, because there were cutback lanes he clearly missed yesterday that he hit last year.

The DB's are doing a great job considering the amount of time they have to cover when our D-line can't bring consistent pressure. The tackling was attrocious overal yesterday. We did not look tough, and perhaps if we had, it might have gotten Tampa off the field on a more regular basis, and saved the D from being gassed by the end, and gives our offense more chances. Of couse, Rodgers was hampered by not having as much time to set-up and throw, and by our inability to run the ball and have that aspect of the offense be in the mix and concern the defense.

[Sparkey]

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I didnt think he should get paid after less than a seasons performance and now he is showing why. He cant push a pile forward and only is good in space. Dunn who is smaller and much older showed what tough running is about it.

you really think its Grants fault there are no holes to run thru?

this line stunk last year and it hasn't changed other than our actual good lineman just getting older...

Grant missed quite a few cut back lanes yesterday. Seemed like he had tunnel vision on a lot of plays, always looking outside and never looking for the cutback lane, which is the whole point of the ZBS scheme.

[Scott Campbell]

Re: Should have let Grant hold out

I didnt think he should get paid after less than a seasons performance and now he is showing why. He cant push a pile forward and only is good in space. Dunn who is smaller and much older showed what tough running is about it.

you really think its Grants fault there are no holes to run thru?

this line stunk last year and it hasn't changed other than our actual good lineman just getting older...

Grant missed quite a few cut back lanes yesterday. Seemed like he had tunnel vision on a lot of plays, always looking outside and never looking for the cutback lane, which is the whole point of the ZBS scheme.

He's not running like last year. Some of it is the line. Alot of it is him.

[Kyle.McCarroll]

Re: Should have let Grant hold out

I didnt think he should get paid after less than a seasons performance and now he is showing why. He cant push a pile forward and only is good in space. Dunn who is smaller and much older showed what tough running is about it.

you really think its Grants fault there are no holes to run thru?

this line stunk last year and it hasn't changed other than our actual good lineman just getting older...

Grant missed quite a few cut back lanes yesterday. Seemed like he had tunnel vision on a lot of plays, always looking outside and never looking for the cutback lane, which is the whole point of the ZBS scheme.

He's not running like last year. Some of it is the line. Alot of it is him.

That probably sums it up the best in one sentence.

[bobblehead]

Hey, your stealing my thunder here...I think I was the most vocal critic of signing grant at the time.

[The Leaper]

Forget Grant.

Why are we sitting on millions in cap space when our OL is falling apart? There were numerous OL players available this offseason that could've helped shore up this OL...which was a high priority IMO considering Rodgers is a first year starter with a penchant for getting nicked.

Instead, Thompson dropped the ball big time.

Back to Grant...Thompson should've gotten the kid into camp on time. I have no doubt that the missed time this offseason is really affecting him. He let success go to his head.

[Zool]

Forget Grant.

Why are we sitting on millions in cap space when our OL is falling apart? There were numerous OL players available this offseason that could've helped shore up this OL...which was a high priority IMO considering Rodgers is a first year starter with a penchant for getting nicked.

Instead, Thompson dropped the ball big time.

Back to Grant...Thompson should've gotten the kid into camp on time. I have no doubt that the missed time this offseason is really affecting him. He let success go to his head.

Numerous is a bit of a stretch, but lets say you were right. After the way the young guys ended the season last year, why would management think a big change was needed? As is frequently said here and everywhere else that football is discussed, OL guys take a few years to develop.

[The Leaper]

Numerous is a bit of a stretch, but lets say you were right. After the way the young guys ended the season last year, why would management think a big change was needed?

Favre made that OL look far better than it was. We all know it. Favre had the experience and savvy to not hold the ball too long...like a first time starter will have the tendency of doing.

There is zero excuse for just hoping the OL would somehow come together this offseason. Without your HOF veteran QB, you needed to UPGRADE the OL in experience and talent. It wasn't done.

[Zool]

Hind site is 20/20 and not a single person had anything bad to say after the Vikings game. Now all the sudden is the end of the fucking world again. I just dont get the logic. Where were you September 9th?

[MadtownPacker]

Sept 9th??? I was disgusted with Grant as soon as I heard he was threatening to hold out this summer. Why? Because these guys always seem to get hurt and not come back showing what they got the money for in the first place. Or are you saying Grant has been as good as the half season he showed last year???????

[bobblehead]

Forget Grant.

Why are we sitting on millions in cap space when our OL is falling apart? There were numerous OL players available this offseason that could've helped shore up this OL...which was a high priority IMO considering Rodgers is a first year starter with a penchant for getting nicked.

Instead, Thompson dropped the ball big time.

Back to Grant...Thompson should've gotten the kid into camp on time. I have no doubt that the missed time this offseason is really affecting him. He let success go to his head.

Weren't you the one who pointed out that grant only missed like 5 practices?

[bobblehead]

Numerous is a bit of a stretch, but lets say you were right. After the way the young guys ended the season last year, why would management think a big change was needed?

Favre made that OL look far better than it was. We all know it. Favre had the experience and savvy to not hold the ball too long...like a first time starter will have the tendency of doing.

There is zero excuse for just hoping the OL would somehow come together this offseason. Without your HOF veteran QB, you needed to UPGRADE the OL in experience and talent. It wasn't done.

I'll give you some credit for the favre factor, but arod has been under IMMEDIATE pressure the last 2 games. Clifton is whiffing blocks straight up. Grant is looking more like jackson. This line is in a slump. Can they turn it around...sure, they did last year, but I hope they hurry the hell up.