NOW WE SHOULD ALL UNDERSTAND

[Pacopete4]

Yes but now the medical reports are saying Rodgers is going to be fine. And Hawk is injured.

where are u reading this?

[retailguy]

Well, you know, I expected a thread like this.

I'll be plain, brief and straightforward. While I think that Ted Thompson is a close relative of Satan, and has made as many errors as he's made good decisions, it is WAY TOO SOON to bash him over trading Brett Favre.

Quite honestly, I'm not entirely sure that I'll ever blame him for trading Favre. But, I think it was the right call. It was time to see Aaron, or trade him. I "might" have been for trading him if Favre would have committed for 2 more seasons, but he wouldn't. On that basis alone, getting rid of him was probably the right thing to do.

Ted bashers hear this clearly, I WOULD LOVE TO HANG THIS ON THE GUY. But, it just isn't right.

[MJZiggy]

Yes but now the medical reports are saying Rodgers is going to be fine. And Hawk is injured.

where are u reading this?

Initial diagnosis is bruised shoulder but the separation talk is coming from the presser, not the docs. They will know more tomorrow but considering that he was allowed to go back in, I think he may be overstating it a bit (unless he made it worse on that last play...)

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/ic/blogs/insider/index.shtml

[Merlin]

I knew it wouldn't be long before this type of discussion reared it's ugly head. Rodgers did have two horrible games and now it appears that he may have an injury serious enough to keep him sidelined. Brett Favre had a monster game against Arizona and somewhat of a clinker against the Chargers, playing in both games with a bum ankle...

So what? It's in the past.

Aaron Rodgers is our QB and I support the guy as being the best QB on our roster and hope he isn't seriously injured. Although a separated throwing shoulder (if that is what it is), is a very serious injury for a QB obviously. It wasn't the OL's fault he sustained the injury, just good coverage down field. His two other major injuries weren't at the hands of the other teams defense either. That concerns me (that they are seemingly self induced) and I hope it isn't serious enough to keep him on the bench. If so, then the predictions that he would go down injured are just going to swell and create more turmoil for this team. Rodgers hasn't looked real good the past two weeks and I fully expect some bad games out of him because he is a first year starter. I didn't expect two in a row nor did I expect him to look this bad, especially since he seemed so confident and poised in the first two games. We don't have a viable backup (yet). Flynn didn't look the role out there and Brohm was horrible in the preseason so it remainss to be seen how this plays out.

Brett Favre is not our QB. But it was nice to see him doing the things he did for us for so many years. That's what makes him enjoyable to watch. All too many times the QB gets the glory as well as being made the goat. That always held true for Favre but for Rodgers? Not so much, too many apologists willing to brush under the carpet a bad performance by shifting the focus off of the QB. He should be treated no differently then any other starting QB in the NFL. That isn't fair to the Packers and it isn't fair to Rodgers.

There are many fans here who I am sure during all of those 4th downs we had and punted were saying "If we had Favre he would have thrown an int". Which is really sad to even think that way if you really support this team. Or the old "Rodgers threw 3 Ints, Favre would have thrown 6" thoughts and there are those of you out there who actually believe in that alter reality world.

I know that for all of the crap I take for arguing moves by Thompson, that we are potentially in a situation right now where his latest move of not bringing in a veteran backup may just cost us a season. No the sky isn't falling and I am hopeful it doesn't come down to that. However, that non-move by him as of right now is the reason this conversation is even taking place. I still believe, and Ted Thompson has proven me right every step of the way, that he thinks he is smarter then everyone else. He believes his way is the only way and those methodologies that worked for everyone else on every other team (accept Detroit) for so many years are just wrong. We should not be in the position we are in right now and this conversation should have never happened. The whole Favre saga aside and whether or not he should have kept him, only history will decide that. Let the history happen first before making that decision, not 4 games into the season. Green Bay "moved on" and I accept that and have moved on. I don't have to accept that the direction Thompson took in not securing at least one QB with NFL starting experience "in case" something were to happen with a QB that has shown an injury pattern in limited actual game experience. I am not saying that he needed to "bank" on Rodgers getting injured but needed to get some insurance for the rest of this team so they could remain competative "if" Rodgers went down. So much for being "smarter" then everyone else. It's time to do some more conventional things, like what is best for the Green Bay Packers, instead of what is best for Ted Thompson's ego.

[retailguy]

For the most part, a pretty good post Merlin. From me at least, well said.

[Partial]

Re: NOW WE SHOULD ALL UNDERSTAND

This is why you don't trade Favre. Rodgers goes down and the Pack is screwed.

TT should have brought in a vet backup.

Why did you not create a thread "NOW WE SHOULD ALL UNDERSTAND" after Rodgers had good games? Aren't the lessons there equally valid.

This is loser stuff.

Becuae he is one that has been raking TT over the coasls for Favre and now the gutless wonder has come to gloat. Kind of funny he was nowhere to be found when ARod was doing well. Until they do, these idiots have no credibility.

DUDE. WAKE UP AND SMELL THE FACTS:

A-Rod had a decent game against the Vikes. One passing TD, and one rushing TD. Not exactly a day of offensive fire power.

He started out hot against Detroit. Detroit. One more time. Detroit. Then, the offense stalled so bad Detroit took the lead with 5 minutes left. Had it not been for Chuck, we would have LOST and been the joke of the league for giving up a huge lead to Detroit. Sure, statistically it was a fine outting, but stats don't tell the whole story when the team starts out hots then cools down to ice.

Against Dallas he played pretty bad imo. He didn't lose the game but he certainly didn't do anything to make it close.

Today he was awful. Say what you will, but I'm a realist. He's been OK so far after a dynamic preseason.

[retailguy]

I totally disagree. A-rod has performed well to this point. Considering his experience level and the play of the OL, Rodgers is NOT the problem.

[Merlin]

Seldom Partial and I agree on anything but I agree here. Rodgers has played well beyond and well below the expectations I had for him. The record shows this 2-2, with any ugly loss to a team that I felt and still do was inferior: a Brian Greise led Tampa Bay.

[falco]

some very good points from the usually unreasonable merlin and retailguy ... i commend your comments

but partial, as always, is full of shit

[Merlin]

I think you are making excuses here RG. Rodgers has been part of the problem, not the entire problem. The whole team has stunk it up, and Rodgers is a part of that team and he hasn't played "well" by any stretch of the imagination and to dismiss him from blame and make excuses is exactly what we can't afford to do. This is the NFL, if he wants to be the QB then he needs to learn to deal with the scrutiny and rise above it. He doesn't need people making excuses for him.

[retailguy]

I think you are making excuses here RG. Rodgers has been part of the problem, not the entire problem. The whole team has stunk it up, and Rodgers is a part of that team and he hasn't played "well" by any stretch of the imagination and to dismiss him from blame and make excuses is exactly what we can't afford to do. This is the NFL, if he wants to be the QB then he needs to learn to deal with the scrutiny and rise above it. He doesn't need people making excuses for him.

Excuses? ME? Really?

Ok, here's my one sentence review of Rodgers. Well, maybe two. Rodgers is young, and inexperienced, playing behind a bad line. I've seen many QB's develop "happy feet" playing behind a bad line, and I'm willing to cut him some slack until the line improves.

Favre could make this line look better than it was because of the knowledge and experience that he amassed over the years. Expecting that out of Rodgers is foolish in my opinion. When Rodgers has had adequate protection from his line, he's flashed good things. I'll hang on those for a while. Our OL is the biggest problem. If that gets fixed, many things, including Grant change for the better. Rodgers to date has played good enough.

[Packnut]

I totally disagree. A-rod has performed well to this point. Considering his experience level and the play of the OL, Rodgers is NOT the problem.

He's played what a 1st yr starter should play like- INCONSISTENT. Not his fault. This was expected. What this whole thing proves is that those of us (a small minority) who stated Favre was the reason we won last season and that he did carry us were right and those who claimed we were wrong (you know who you are), were FULL OF SHIT!

THE PROOF IS IN THE PUDDING

HOW DOESTHAT CROW TASTE??????????????

[retailguy]

I totally disagree. A-rod has performed well to this point. Considering his experience level and the play of the OL, Rodgers is NOT the problem.

He's played what a 1st yr starter should play like- INCONSISTENT. Not his fault. This was expected. What this whole thing proves is that those of us (a small minority) who stated Favre was the reason we won last season and that he did carry us were right and those who claimed we were wrong (you know who you are), were FULL OF SHIT!

THE PROOF IS IN THE PUDDING

HOW DOESTHAT CROW TASTE??????????????

C'mon man. You don't think you can state this after 4 games, do you?

Give it at least another week, ok?

[Pacopete4]

I totally disagree. A-rod has performed well to this point. Considering his experience level and the play of the OL, Rodgers is NOT the problem.

He's played what a 1st yr starter should play like- INCONSISTENT. Not his fault. This was expected. What this whole thing proves is that those of us (a small minority) who stated Favre was the reason we won last season and that he did carry us were right and those who claimed we were wrong (you know who you are), were FULL OF SHIT!

THE PROOF IS IN THE PUDDING

HOW DOESTHAT CROW TASTE??????????????

Favre moved on while we took 2 steps back... it sucks but its not gonna get better for awhile

[Merlin]

This is the NFL, he is a 4th year player, by no means a rookie. Because of his lack of experience he will make mistakes and yes you roll with some of them. But the same mistakes spanning "games"? 1 game ok. 2 games, not so much and it has actually be 2.5 games of bad play for him. So at what point do you cut the training wheels off? At what point does his poor play share in the responsibility of this teams losses? According to you he isn't a problem. I strongly disagree. Time to cut the umbilical cord, and allow him the same scrutiny any other starting QB in the NFL gets. This include kudos and blame.