NOW WE SHOULD ALL UNDERSTAND

[Pacopete4]

Nah, McCain is prolly like Milton Berle.

Not a chance. Mac ain't a hebe.

Mac ain't dead yet either.

i luv brett favre :P i broke his parental code lock...

[Zool]

Nah, McCain is prolly like Milton Berle.

Not a chance. Mac ain't a hebe.

Mac ain't dead yet either.

He sure looks close tho.

[Pugger]

Re: NOW WE SHOULD ALL UNDERSTAND

Who the fuck cares if Brett is still better? HE IS GONE! GET THE FUCK OVER IT! When ARod leads this team to a SB, does it matter if Brett is still better? NO! Why? Becuase Arod lead us to the damn SB. HOw about supporting the team instead of comparing every little thing ARod does to Brett, which makes you hypocritical becuase you were the one bitching and moaning about others doing the exact same thing you are doing now! Let Arod run the team and keep Brett the hell out of it.

Good lord, will there be a thread like this EVERY WEEK comparing Brett and Aaron? Yes, I understand a lot of folks are still upset about trading Brett. But all this kicking and screaming ain't gonna change our QB situation. This is just a lot of wasted energy people.

[Pacopete4]

Re: NOW WE SHOULD ALL UNDERSTAND

Who the fuck cares if Brett is still better? HE IS GONE! GET THE FUCK OVER IT! When ARod leads this team to a SB, does it matter if Brett is still better? NO! Why? Becuase Arod lead us to the damn SB. HOw about supporting the team instead of comparing every little thing ARod does to Brett, which makes you hypocritical becuase you were the one bitching and moaning about others doing the exact same thing you are doing now! Let Arod run the team and keep Brett the hell out of it.

Good lord, will there be a thread like this EVERY WEEK comparing Brett and Aaron? Yes, I understand a lot of folks are still upset about trading Brett. But all this kicking and screaming ain't gonna change our QB situation. This is just a lot of wasted energy people.

maybe we have a ton of it to spend?

[Zool]

Re: NOW WE SHOULD ALL UNDERSTAND

Who the fuck cares if Brett is still better? HE IS GONE! GET THE FUCK OVER IT! When ARod leads this team to a SB, does it matter if Brett is still better? NO! Why? Becuase Arod lead us to the damn SB. HOw about supporting the team instead of comparing every little thing ARod does to Brett, which makes you hypocritical becuase you were the one bitching and moaning about others doing the exact same thing you are doing now! Let Arod run the team and keep Brett the hell out of it.

Good lord, will there be a thread like this EVERY WEEK comparing Brett and Aaron? Yes, I understand a lot of folks are still upset about trading Brett. But all this kicking and screaming ain't gonna change our QB situation. This is just a lot of wasted energy people.

maybe we have a ton of it to spend?

Go watch some porn then, or hit a treadmill?

[Pacopete4]

Re: NOW WE SHOULD ALL UNDERSTAND

Who the fuck cares if Brett is still better? HE IS GONE! GET THE FUCK OVER IT! When ARod leads this team to a SB, does it matter if Brett is still better? NO! Why? Becuase Arod lead us to the damn SB. HOw about supporting the team instead of comparing every little thing ARod does to Brett, which makes you hypocritical becuase you were the one bitching and moaning about others doing the exact same thing you are doing now! Let Arod run the team and keep Brett the hell out of it.

Good lord, will there be a thread like this EVERY WEEK comparing Brett and Aaron? Yes, I understand a lot of folks are still upset about trading Brett. But all this kicking and screaming ain't gonna change our QB situation. This is just a lot of wasted energy people.

maybe we have a ton of it to spend?

Go watch some porn then, or hit a treadmill?

i really should hit the treadmill..

[Tyrone Bigguns]

ok, so u're saying "mandingo factor" has NO sexual connotation?

Of course it does...but, you are making a large assumption about the penis size.

me, or the world?

and how would u know?

white women have bigger breasts and sistas have bigger butts but personally i know NUTHN about white boy's penis. guess u do??!!

You need to stay consistent with your argument. Read what you first posted. that is what i'm responding to.

Penis: I wouldn't...and that just proves my point. I didn't talk about that in my mandingo post.

White boy's: I can only speak anecdotally....white semitic boys are huge.

again, how do u know?

What part of anecdotal don't you understand?

[th87]

Re: BS

The Giants were not playing 8 in the box in the NFC championship game. That is nothing but a plain lie. For the billionth time, yes Fave played a below average game, but it all started with McCarthy and his screwed up game plan and his in-ablity to adjust.

It just amazes me how ignorant some people are not to mention stubborn. The oldest saying in the NFL is run the ball and stop the run. We did NEITHER in that game and THAT is the reason we lost, yet these brain dead fools continue to blame Favre for that loss.

As for giving this o-line ANY credit for the success Grant had last season, that idea is laughable. Defenses feared Brett Favre plain and simple. Not one defense went into a game saying "we have to stop Ryan Grant". The mantra was "we have to stop Brett favre". This o-line is freakin terrible. They are very weak and get pushed around quite often.

Some people only see what they want to see, despite the facts looking them in the face.

Fact: Brett Favre, not MM or TT made this a 13-3 team last season.

Fact: Brett Favre made everyone around him a better player. He made the line look better with his ability to get rid of the ball. I remember arguing this point with several "know it alls" that dominate this forum. They claimed it was only part Favre. Well how many sacks with Mr Rodgers? It was ALL Favre!

Fact: Brett Favre's abilty to hurt teams through the air opened the run game up. How many yards do we have rushing? How well has Grant done.

Fact: This would be a better team with Favre right now than it is with Rodgers. This team is sloppy and mistake prone. It's the same players so why? What has changed from last season to this? Brett Favre perhaps????

Look, you guys can make up all the BS you want. The facts support my opinion. We went from a team 1 play away from a SB to a team with several major problems that will not be fixed over-night.

All I'm saying is that the 3 stooges (Murphy, Thompson and McCarthy) need to be held accountable. Stop making excuses for them and deal with the facts as they are. Being a loyal Packer fan does not mean being blind and accepting everything they tell us as gospel. We have a right as loyal Packer fans to expect the very best from this organization. We are not getting that.

Serious mistakes have been made. We have no one in this organization who has the ability to evaluate offensive lineman. We have a defensive coordinator who's entire scheme is vanilla and easy to game-plan for. We have a coach who's play-calling more often than not is very in-consistent. We have a ZBS that clearly does not work in ANY short yardage situations. The list goes on and on...............

Watch the game again. We had receivers in one on one situations throughout the game. At times, Favre found them, and at other times, he didn't. On the Driver TD, did you see how open he was? Nobody was was anywhere near him.

There were other factors that contributed to the loss, yes. It was a team effort. But in here, at this moment, we're talking about Favre's performance in the NFCCG. So stay on topic.

On to your "facts":

1. So if Brett Favre, and not MM or TT made the 13-3 season, who made the 4-12 season? Or the 8-8 season? It couldn't have been a team effort, could it?

2. The fact that you think it was because of Favre that the o-line held up last year shows how biased you are. What happened against Dallas? The reasonable truth is that it was a combined effort. Favre was excellent at calling protection audibles and such, and the o-line performed adequately. Against Dallas last year, they failed. This year, the o-line is performing terribly, and if you actually watched a game, you'd see that linemen are either being thrown back into Rodgers, or defenders are flying through. Favre is also taking sacks in NY. Therefore, your contention is fallacious.

3. Again, if you actually watched the games, you'd see that the line is getting blown up on run/pass plays, preventing the run, and hindering the pass. But I suppose Favre had some magical powers that made the line stouter last year. The real fact is that the line played better last year. End of story.

4. You're probably right that the team would be better RIGHT NOW with Favre. But what changed since last year? Favre, poor execution (bad blocking), lack of focus (penalties and drops), to name a few. Favre isn't the only reason. Teams vary from year to year for no particular reason. Why did a 12-4 Sherman team go 10-6 the following year? Why did the Super Bowl winning Patriots miss the playoffs the following year (2002)? There are more factors at play here.

MM, TT, and MM will be held accountable when they actually get a CHANCE to do their work. Are you going to give them that? Or are your feelings so hurt that you want them out now?

[packerbacker1234]

Re: BS

1. So if Brett Favre, and not MM or TT made the 13-3 season, who made the 4-12 season? Or the 8-8 season? It couldn't have been a team effort, could it?

Favre was not the sole reason for 13 - 3, just like he wasn't the sole reason for 8-8 or 4-2. We all know this, save one poster. The biggest difference last year wasn't just how Favre played - it was how the defense performed. Favre would turn the ball over, and the defense would give it right back, Even when our D was in the top 5, they couldn't do that.

2. The fact that you think it was because of Favre that the o-line held up last year shows how biased you are. What happened against Dallas? The reasonable truth is that it was a combined effort. Favre was excellent at calling protection audibles and such, and the o-line performed adequately. Against Dallas last year, they failed. This year, the o-line is performing terribly, and if you actually watched a game, you'd see that linemen are either being thrown back into Rodgers, or defenders are flying through. Favre is also taking sacks in NY. Therefore, your contention is fallacious.

We all agree the line is playing horribly - but why? In fact, WHY is the team in general (offensively) playing bad? Offenses just don't turn over like that year to year when you return every single starter. They just don't. Say what you want, but no other team that had as dynamic a offense as we had last year returns all their starters and plays like this because it's just an "off year" for every single one of them. There is one factor missing, and that is Brett Favre.

You seem to forget, as do many, that the line was JUST AS HORRIBLE the first 6 to 8 games last year. Lest we forget the "no blocking" at all in week one, or the numerous broken tackles by favre to buy time. Things I don't expect Rodgers to be able to do yet. While it is indeed TRUE that Favre has been sacked 7 times this year, the jets line is not cohesive yet. Lots of new bodies trying to gel. The packers line is the same from last season. No excuse for not gelling. I wont give favre all the credit - by the second half of last year the line was playing OK. Still, they were just as horrible at this time last year - yet we were 4 - 0. Our offense put up a lot of points. We had no run game (just like now). We had favre. That was the difference between this offense then, and this offense now. All the penalties, the dropped balls... I don't think you can just underestimate what Favre meant to this offense.

There was a confidence level in the huddle. It's one thing for rodgers to be confident and take command of the huddle, it's another for the players around him in the huddle knowing in their minds that he can get it done. If the fans don't know (face it, like him or not, the book is still out on AR) certaintly the team mates don't. Recievers are stopping routes early, dropping balls, line isn't blocking worth crap (again, it was the exact same issue last year. Favre merely beat the pressure time and time again so the blitz's stopped).

Did you all suddenly forget about the slant play? It BECAME the bread and butter because for a big chunk of the season, there wasn't much time to develop routes down the field. When did those routes develop? Second half of the season.

Just saying, Favre had a bigger impact on this offense, and how they played, then you are willing to give credit for. It's not all him, but the line was just as bad last season for the first 8 games. The fact you thought the line played decent last season tells me already your blind. The guards were horrible last year, and it hasn't gotten any better.

3. Again, if you actually watched the games, you'd see that the line is getting blown up on run/pass plays, preventing the run, and hindering the pass. But I suppose Favre had some magical powers that made the line stouter last year. The real fact is that the line played better last year. End of story.

The line was getting blown up last year. Go back and watch full game films on the line. They were just horrible. Utterly pathetic, for the first half of the year. We couldn't run the ball first half last year, and we can't this year. When favre was pressured so much last season, he started to BEAT that pressure, by throwing slant after slant after slant, many of which turned into some pretty big plays, and forced defenses to back off the pressure to cover the middle of the field. Once they did that, later int he season, the outside lanes opened up, and thus the run game came full circle.

I have yet to see rodgers do a single three step drop and fire play, the type of play that beats the pressure that by now, he has to see with his own eyes, or know in his mind, is coming. He wont be as good as favre at it, but he needs to start doing it. Thats the main way you beat pressure and bad offensive blocking. You do easy 5+ yard completions off a three step drop. Get rid of the ball quick. He is taking too long to decide where to go with it. Yes, the line sucks, but lets not kid ourselves. Favre masked a lot of the pass blocking woes last year.

4. You're probably right that the team would be better RIGHT NOW with Favre. But what changed since last year? Favre, poor execution (bad blocking), lack of focus (penalties and drops), to name a few. Favre isn't the only reason. Teams vary from year to year for no particular reason. Why did a 12-4 Sherman team go 10-6 the following year? Why did the Super Bowl winning Patriots miss the playoffs the following year (2002)? There are more factors at play here.

Player personal changes, that's how. The packers returned every single starter, on both sides of the ball, except Brett Favre. If the packers would probably be better RIGHT NOW with Favre, then why wouldn't we want that to have happened? Guess what, shots to go to the superbowl are rare. Packers have been there 4 times, 2 of which came in the Brett Favre era. Teams just don't go their often, so even if Rodgers may be better a year or two down the road, you KNOW you have A DECENT chance with Favre this year. In 2 seasons, half the players could be gone. FA, trades, etc. We have lots of youth,a nd they will all want to get payed. Lots of veterans at Key spots without ANY replacements.

Just saying, Favre was an option, and they didn't want to go there again. I am fine with that, it gave me two teams to cheer for. It just can make me sick at times watching favre lead the league in TD's while watching our offense sputter. It's not like the jets offense has anyone that is really better then we have on our roster.

MM, TT, and MM will be held accountable when they actually get a CHANCE to do their work. Are you going to give them that? Or are your feelings so hurt that you want them out now?

A chance? Look, I am lenieant on MM. He hasn't had a losing season as a coach yet, and while he has made several coaching mistakes, he is young and improving. I don't mind him, even if I hardly knew him when Hired. In fact, most don't want MM gone, they just want him to give up on the ZBS and be held accountable for it not working, thats all. Very few fans honestly want MM gone. He is just getting into where we see what type of coach he is.

TT is a different Story. He has been here a handful of years now, and this entire roster is pretty much built of the players he put together. It's not even that TT is an overall horrible manager, it's that he goes AGAINST the common grain of every other GM in the league in many ways... and feels his way is right and theres is not. Drafting a WR when it was undeeded early in the draft? This isn't a knock on Nelson, but we didn't need him. We needed more depth at DT, and an eventual replacement for Ryan Picket. Instead, he went with WR?

He didn';t sign a backup with any experience for Rodgers. Sorry, every other GM does for there first year guys. He drafted a DT two years ago who played one, count it, one season in college football, because he waas hurt the rest of the time. He was hurt coming in last year, was hampered most of the season, then got a completely unrelated injury this season to keep him out 6 weeks. Just saying, drafting guys already injury prone and not just prone, but injured BADLY going into the draft? Come on now. Besides, he was a third round pick, at best. Not a middle 1st.

Yes, TT has done some good things - but it is his ego that gets in the way. Here is an example: in 4 years, Rodgers was never once challanged for his spot on the team. The browns drafted Brady Quinn. Traded a lot to go grab him. Instead of him starting, he lost out his rookie year to Anderson. We know so far how that went. (none of this, mind you, is AR's fault. He is just doing the best he can. he doesn't control TT).

TT's ego is everyone's problem. Listen to him talk about the decisions he made that everyone, litterally, everyone is saying was stupid... and he just says "I felt it was best for the team, and I still do.". He takes no owness for making mistakes... and that irks people.

[cpk1994]

Re: NOW WE SHOULD ALL UNDERSTAND

Who the fuck cares if Brett is still better? HE IS GONE! GET THE FUCK OVER IT! When ARod leads this team to a SB, does it matter if Brett is still better? NO! Why? Becuase Arod lead us to the damn SB. HOw about supporting the team instead of comparing every little thing ARod does to Brett, which makes you hypocritical becuase you were the one bitching and moaning about others doing the exact same thing you are doing now! Let Arod run the team and keep Brett the hell out of it.

Good lord, will there be a thread like this EVERY WEEK comparing Brett and Aaron? Yes, I understand a lot of folks are still upset about trading Brett. But all this kicking and screaming ain't gonna change our QB situation. This is just a lot of wasted energy people.

maybe we have a ton of it to spend?

Go watch some porn then, or hit a treadmill?

Should 3 year olds really be watching porn? I think I'll go watch some porn now.

[packerbacker1234]

Re: NOW WE SHOULD ALL UNDERSTAND

Who the fuck cares if Brett is still better? HE IS GONE! GET THE FUCK OVER IT! When ARod leads this team to a SB, does it matter if Brett is still better? NO! Why? Becuase Arod lead us to the damn SB. HOw about supporting the team instead of comparing every little thing ARod does to Brett, which makes you hypocritical becuase you were the one bitching and moaning about others doing the exact same thing you are doing now! Let Arod run the team and keep Brett the hell out of it.

Good lord, will there be a thread like this EVERY WEEK comparing Brett and Aaron? Yes, I understand a lot of folks are still upset about trading Brett. But all this kicking and screaming ain't gonna change our QB situation. This is just a lot of wasted energy people.

maybe we have a ton of it to spend?

Go watch some porn then, or hit a treadmill?

Should 3 year olds really be watching porn? I think I'll go watch some porn now.

Ditto.

To corect Pugger's comments seriously - It's not WHEN AR leads us to a SB, but IF he leads us a to a SB. You seem pretty confident an untested, unproven, as likely to be a bust as to be a stud (more likely really, if you look at history). The way you put the comment made it look like your suggesting this season that AR is taking us to the promise land. That is a pretty bold statement. People are thinking right now, in a win NOW league. If AR gets us to a SB THIS YEAR, you are correct, no one will talk about how favre is better and should of been our guy. Fact remains, we are not Super Bowl contendors with AR until he proves it. He hasn't yet.

Just saying, this year, Brett looks like he was the best shot at a SB so far. If AR wins one down the road? Wont change the fact that his first year could of been a SB with someone else.

Afterall, AR hasn't made the post season yet. Little bold to say "when he wins one". Very few QB's even GET to a superbowl, let alone win one. I don't see why anyone is so confident AR will. He has a lot to prove yet.

[MOBB DEEP]

ok, so u're saying "mandingo factor" has NO sexual connotation?

Of course it does...but, you are making a large assumption about the penis size.

me, or the world?

and how would u know?

white women have bigger breasts and sistas have bigger butts but personally i know NUTHN about white boy's penis. guess u do??!!

You need to stay consistent with your argument. Read what you first posted. that is what i'm responding to.

Penis: I wouldn't...and that just proves my point. I didn't talk about that in my mandingo post.

White boy's: I can only speak anecdotally....white semitic boys are huge.

again, how do u know?

What part of anecdotal don't you understand?

wait a minute; are u on a nearly-all-male forum sayn u have a big penis? prove it (as if anyone cares)



ok, im a self-made millionaire and u better believe


btw, u used PLURAL in sayn white semetic boy (s) are huge....



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