RODGERS "PRIME TIME PERFORMER!"

[Patler]

the coaches should have told him he couldn't play. It would have been better for the team to let the injury heal for an extra week.

Ya, I know the team doctor said he isn't going to damage it further by playing with it, but he means he isn't going to do permanent structural damage. Anybody who has had that sort of sprain knows that rest is required for the sucker to heal.

The Packers have actually been very conserative about playing guys with injuries, they typically don't take foolish chances. I guess this was a close call, I disagree with the cost/benefits on their decision this time.

If pro athletes didn't play every time it would be better for an injury healing if they didn't play, we would barely have games in any sport.

You are 100% correct that the Packers have been conservative when it comes to playing guys with injuries. I can't believe they would take a chance with the long term health or safety of their chosen player at the most important position on the team.

No reason to have sat him if he was able to play through it.

[Harlan Huckleby]

We're talking about the throwing shoulder of the QB. That's a unique situation, very different from a sprained ankle.

I think the coaches felt playing Rodgers gave them a strong competitive advantage over Flynn. That's what made the difference. If they had backup they were comfortable with, Rodgers would have sat a week.

Gunkor, I disagree with your statement that it is just a question of enduring pain. The pain indicates that the damaged tissue is being further inflamed.

[Pacopete4]

We're talking about the throwing shoulder of the QB. That's a unique situation, very different from a sprained ankle.

I think the coaches felt playing Rodgers gave them a strong competitive advantage over Flynn. That's what made the difference. If they had backup they were comfortable with, Rodgers would have sat a week.

Gunkor, I disagree with your statement that it is just a question of enduring pain. The pain indicates that the damaged tissue is being further inflamed.

if ur starting QB says he's ready to go, and wants the ball and can throw the way Arod did... u give him the damn ball... its just how the game of football works... it has ZERO, let me repeat... ZERO to do with a backup QB..

[Gunakor]

We're talking about the throwing shoulder of the QB. That's a unique situation, very different from a sprained ankle.

I think the coaches felt playing Rodgers gave them a strong competitive advantage over Flynn. That's what made the difference. If they had backup they were comfortable with, Rodgers would have sat a week.

Gunkor, I disagree with your statement that it is just a question of enduring pain. The pain indicates that the damaged tissue is being further inflamed.

I'll bet Brett's thumb hurt like a SOB when the football smacked his hand 60 times a game while the thumb was fractured. It wasn't getting worse (kinda like Rodgers shoulder injury - sez the Packers training staff that I'm certain has a bit of expertise dealing with injuries), but it certainly wasn't healing very quickly. Should Favre have been sat down to let it heal?

My point is that Favre has had and played through injuries that ordinary QB's would have been deactivated for. That's what made him an extraordinary QB. That doesn't make him superhuman. Could Rodgers be an extraordinary QB that's not superhuman but can play through injuries that ordinary QB's would be deactivated for as well?

[Noodle]

I'm in the Bluedog's camp -- I hate it that guys get pressured to play when they're hurt, and I admire the conservative bent of the Packers in this regard.

BUT, this is a very special case due to who ARod is replacing. It's not fair to him, but it's the way it is. In the big scheme of things, I think here it was worth the risk for Arod to establish a bold and bouncy sack of his own.

[SnakeLH2006]

Re: RODGERS "PRIME TIME PERFORMER!"

he was voted that on nfl primetime (trey wingo, etc...). "that rarely happens with the losing qb"

thats REAL cool; they gave him mad dap for "gutting it out" and havn great game. "He showed moxie..."


good to hear him get credit since some other talkn heads were tryn to say pack record woul;d be bettr if #4 was there (i.e., he's the piece thats missn). even i dont need to hear that all the time so this should help folk accross the country see arod has MAJOR upside; the boy can ball and the pack WILL be good for a minute (no thanks to tt of course - he he)

way to represent aaaron; slow start/this loss DOES NOT FALL ON U

Who cares if we didn't win? Stats don't always win games.

[MOBB DEEP]

We're talking about the throwing shoulder of the QB. That's a unique situation, very different from a sprained ankle.

I think the coaches felt playing Rodgers gave them a strong competitive advantage over Flynn. That's what made the difference. If they had backup they were comfortable with, Rodgers would have sat a week.

Gunkor, I disagree with your statement that it is just a question of enduring pain. The pain indicates that the damaged tissue is being further inflamed.

I'll bet Brett's thumb hurt like a SOB when the football smacked his hand 60 times a game while the thumb was fractured. It wasn't getting worse (kinda like Rodgers shoulder injury - sez the Packers training staff that I'm certain has a bit of expertise dealing with injuries), but it certainly wasn't healing very quickly. Should Favre have been sat down to let it heal?

My point is that Favre has had and played through injuries that ordinary QB's would have been deactivated for. That's what made him an extraordinary QB. That doesn't make him superhuman. Could Rodgers be an extraordinary QB that's not superhuman but can play through injuries that ordinary QB's would be deactivated for as well?

QFT

[packerbacker1234]

Re: RODGERS "PRIME TIME PERFORMER!"

he was voted that on nfl primetime (trey wingo, etc...). "that rarely happens with the losing qb"

thats REAL cool; they gave him mad dap for "gutting it out" and havn great game. "He showed moxie..."


good to hear him get credit since some other talkn heads were tryn to say pack record woul;d be bettr if #4 was there (i.e., he's the piece thats missn). even i dont need to hear that all the time so this should help folk accross the country see arod has MAJOR upside; the boy can ball and the pack WILL be good for a minute (no thanks to tt of course - he he)

way to represent aaaron; slow start/this loss DOES NOT FALL ON U

Nothing against Rodgers - but just look at what the jets are like with Favre just being there. It's not necessarily just about what Rodgers or Favre does on the field, it's the effect they have in the locker room, and to the entire team. Favre puts a sense of belief in every player in a locker room that no matter what, he is going to be there, and there will always be a good chance to win every game just solely because Favre walks onto the field.

Most of the talking heads that say the packers would be better feed off that aspect - Favre makes the team around him better, Rodgers while playing good doesn't have that effect. Most don't. It's nice noting how much better the defense was at this point last season then this season. Injuries aside, Favre inspires better play from everyone. I do like rodgers, and I do not blame him for last weeks loss. However, I still can say it would not have been different with Favre. People step up out there with him at the helm.

Rodgers did show me a lot in playing, but I think what showed me more was the coaching staff leaving him in when his arm was hanging the last 8 minutes of the game. I would rather have a healthy rodgers for most the season, then a hurt one for the rest of it. If he keeps pushing it each anc every week, his success last week will be soon forgotten. That injury really effected him in the later stages of the game, and if it lingers all season, could turn out to be some bad performances late in the year.

[Scott Campbell]

Re: RODGERS "PRIME TIME PERFORMER!"

Nothing against Rodgers - but just look at what the jets are like with Favre just being there.

Uhhh, the last time I checked the Jets are 2-2. So I guess Brett makes everyone around him mediocre.

[packerbacker1234]

Re: RODGERS "PRIME TIME PERFORMER!"

Nothing against Rodgers - but just look at what the jets are like with Favre just being there.

Uhhh, the last time I checked the Jets are 2-2. So I guess Brett makes everyone around him mediocre.

Wow, seriously? Go look at the jets last year and get back to me.

[Scott Campbell]

Re: RODGERS "PRIME TIME PERFORMER!"

Nothing against Rodgers - but just look at what the jets are like with Favre just being there.

Uhhh, the last time I checked the Jets are 2-2. So I guess Brett makes everyone around him mediocre.

Wow, seriously? Go look at the jets last year and get back to me.

I can't find any Jet tape from last year with Alan Faneca on it.

[Scott Campbell]

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2008-07-30-offseason-grades_N.htm

Here's an except from a USA Today article on free agent acquisitions this summer - published prior to the Favre trade.


"NEW YORK JETS - A-

It remains to be seen if the Jets make a play for a certain Packers quarterback they wanted to draft in 1991. Regardless, New York has already made $140 million worth of noise to upgrade its roster. G Alan Faneca and T Damien Woody should help the running game take flight, especially with FB Tony Richardson also on board. Rookie sack artist Vernon Gholston is expected to be a force, and LB Calvin Pace fits the 3-4 defense like a glove, though new NT Kris Jenkins must adapt. Locking up S Kerry Rhodes was a wise move. Now about that quarterback position ... "



I guess you can watch tape of the old Jet roster from last year and give Favre all the credit for the team raising its performance to mediocre from awful - if you're a simpleton.

[RashanGary]

Thomas Jones is healthy this year.

They took a big step forward at left guard by replacing a dud with possibly the best guard in football.

They added Damieon Woody at RT and seem to be getting good play out of the vet.

They saw gains from their young LT (d'brickshaw Ferguson) and their young center (Nick Mangold).

They added Jenkins and Pace as starters on the DL and are getting really good production from both

They're healthy

They replaced Noodle arm Pennington with Brett Favre and have two very good WR's in their prime.



Favre is a big addition and still a probowl level QB when he has weapons. There are many reasons that team got better, including Favre.


I'm a big believer that the surrounding team is much more important than any one player, even the QB. Favre is still a damn good player and a part of their success. It's not to take anything away from what he's done. It's more than I expected, but that was a 10-6 team two years ago that had some pretty serious injuries last year, are having good health now, added some good players and saw gains through grown - on top of the FAvre addition.

[Scott Campbell]

Re: RODGERS "PRIME TIME PERFORMER!"

Favre puts a sense of belief in every player in a locker room that no matter what, he is going to be there, and there will always be a good chance to win every game just solely because Favre walks onto the field.

And just look at the way the light glistens off his helmet.

[Scott Campbell]

There are many reasons that team got better, including Favre.

Amen.